Originally Posted by 185flier

iza is right
there is no stall, but a seperation of airflow over the elevator which does not allow sufficient uplift of the stab to control the nose

PenAir had an accident in 2001 and in the lawsuits that arose there were many depositions

PenAir deposed a cessna engineer who confirmed the tail had to carry an upload at certain weight and c/g loadings

they also deposed a test pilot who said that during testing he got into 4 unrecoverable stalls and had to deploy a chute to regain control

i was going to fly and see if i could duplicate but not after hearing that a cessna test pilot had been in unrecoverable situations