Originally Posted by
horrido27
I guess that's where again I'm confused.
If you have a 2008 B756 FO who is now displaced to A320 FO and
You have a 2013 B737 Capt who is now displaced to A320 FO and
You have a 2016 B787 FO who is now displaced to A320 FO and lastly,
You have a 2017 A320 Capt who is now displaced to A320 FO...
I would assume AND EXPECT that the 2017 A320 Capt have to go through training first. Followed by the 2016 hire, etc.
Yes, I'm aware of the Pay Protection but there is also something more than pay at stake. Quality of Life.
Pretty sure that 2008 hire has earned the right to be home a lot during the summer... same with the 2013 hire vs the 2017 hire.
Just as bad is if they send the 2008 756 FO to training yet there are 2010-2019 756 FO's who do NOT go to training.
Guess we will see what the training schedule looks like at the end of this week?
But..
One thing that hit me and again, I had to laugh.. and not a good laugh-
"However, we will deviate from inverse seniority order if there is a business reason for doing so. Examples include:
- a pilot is NQ on his old equipment
- to fill open training slots – for example, a qual slot is open but the junior pilot needs an RQ2
- we expect a more junior pilot to be displaced in a subsequent displacement bid"
Notice that first line.. a pilot if NQ'd on his old equipment.
So the company cancels your sim event (which is paid for, by the way.. so no money saved.) and now THEY can use that as an excuse to train out of seniority. Hmm...
Motch
Motch,
That 2017 hire CA is likely not getting trained first... if at all.
They don't "have to" follow inverse seniority for training assignments, and almost certainly won't. The company is going to train the pilots that they expect NOT to furlough, and focus on filling the NB F/O slots first. The section 8-F pay protection penalties applied on a pilot for pilot are a minor expense compared to savings gained by speed in this large reduction in forces plan. They are clearly trying to make up for any 8-F losses with advantages of getting the displacements and furloughs done faster.
The company has not announced furlough numbers or a plan yet, but this displacement and the next are clearly designed to support a specific plan they have mapped out. The unknown to line pilots is what that initial cutoff number is going to be, and I expect we will find out later in June.
A displaced pilot going to a NB F/O category should expect the company to train him or her ASAP if they are not on an Extended E-SRL.. The company is clearly opting for speed rather the precision in this process.
Sometimes the price of the penalty is not enough to outweigh the potential advantages of not following the rule.
SP