Originally Posted by Cyio

So I am slowing coming to terms with you in my head lol. There are three types of people on here, the sky will never fall group which you clearly belong too, the overly pessimistic group, which I can sometimes fall into and the lurkers that just want some information.

I am not knocking your enthusiasm at all, I may question its motive but none of us want the company to fail. I however, as do others it seems, do want accurate information out there and you tend to post over the top, clearly false or unverified information. That is the problem. If you want to cheerlead for Envoy/AA fine, but do so on facts. There are several truths that cant be argued.
1. AA is taking a huge gamble with its approach to the whole Covid situation. If it works, great more power to all of us, however if it fails it will leave them in a position that I dont feel they can easily recover from.

2. Envoy flows 20 a month when AA hires. You can throw sunshine and glitter all over the topic to try and make it a pretty picture, but that's what it is. If you do the math, its 9+ years for a recent new hire. You can talk about attrition and the like, but that is unverified and cant be counted on. Envoy advertised and told everyone a few years ago they would have a 5 year flow. They haven't nor will they be able to do that, so why believe much else.

3. Envoy management does nothing unless it benefits them. Anything they have given us was because they needed it, simple as that. I understand that companies need to make money, but you can still make money and treat your employees well, just because you want to treat them well.

4. The flow sucks. I would argue at this point it has done more harm then good as we give up so much for it. Until it becomes what it should have been back during BK when the pilot group foulishly voted against it, its nothing more than smoke and mirrors.

Good on you for being so positive, I will admit I need to work on that, but please stop the ra ra ra stuff and post hard numbers, facts and data that can be backed up in your support for the companies so that your point will get across instead of being buried.

I would agree with most all of this.

This is accurate as well. 1000 TPIC won't even get you looked at by AA. God help you if you haven't finished a degree or have some training mark, DUI or other blemish.