Exactly. It doesn’t.

Give us mainline seniority numbers, however, I’ll gladly be furloughed and go find work doing whatever in the meantime.

 

Reminder to not negotiate here. Email the union...

 

Quit trolling.

I highly doubt the Voy would want that either. Every Flowback would be a training event and put one more trained Envoy pilot on the street that would have to be retrained when recalled. Lots of expense and zero benefit to the company.

 

I think he said half of new hires from the WO. While it may not quite be half, that would probably be pretty close.

 

It all depends on class sizes and monthly new hires. If AA hires 60 per month or less, the WO flows will get about half the seats. If it is 100 per month, the WOs will account about a third of the seats.

All of those extra seats will just be a bunch of military and street hires jumping ahead of the flows on the AA seniority list.

I'm not sure why anyone would want flowbacks. I don't think anyone is asking for them.

 

Can't see why an AA pilot would want to come here and drive an Embraer around for peanuts when they could just liquidate one or two of their vacation homes and live off that until they get recalled.

 

That didn't work so well for the first four party agreement. Took them 13 years to flow, after losing their left seats to flowbacks, and FO's not upgrading, being pushed down the seniority list, and furloughed from the bottom.
They didn't get to flow over and bid with their 13 year seniority number either. AMR played games with that too....


The company will push APA for scope exceptions so they can run smaller planes on the routes until the loads pick back up to some agreed upon metric.
The opportunity here is to merge all the airlines. Not sure the sixth floor can get that far outside the box; but this would be the time to do it. Restructuring into one big carrier saves them a ton of administration costs. It wipes out the majority of scope issues, allowing them to right size the plane to the route. The APA and ENY ALPA would have to again agree to a modified CBA and pay rate plan that AAG previously said would work for the pilots, but nothing similar had yet been negotiated by the other work groups.

The downside is an AA furlough could be a few thousand easily; that could put everybody currently at ENY on the street. So, rather than simply dust off the old APA/EGL ALPA agreement outline, I'd suggest a modification to include some level of furlough protection. A furlough fence where only a certain percentage would be allowed to bid down to the smaller jets.... say 50%.
The fence would stop at the last pilot hired at DOS. after that nobody has any fence protection. It would be a straight from the bottom furlough.

just spit-balling ways to make this work for the pilots in the long run.

 

#824neveragain.
Just saying. That will never happen.
Neither will the merger.