Yes. PROFFERS to displace are in seniority order. But it's a little complicated in how it works. Your seniority determines if your displacements are looked at but the junior pilot's seniority that 'would have been displaced' determines what you can hold, or something like that. Better to go and read the section in the CBA on it than to get into the details here. And if you decide you do want to do it, talk to a union rep about how to do it right and what to expect.

 

I just finished my probation ride, so I won’t likely get to move from 145-175 no matter what, but knowing I’ll be an FO for a while I’m going to try .

 

good luck. The letter is just a heads up of whats to come

 

Seniority, seniority, seniority....

That should always be the focus.

Not flow.

 

TheKooj is noticeably absent, not that I’m surprised.

Key points here.
1. No concessions. This isn’t the time to give away the farm and no amount of concessions will save the company from furloughing pilots. It took us all these years to claw out a “decent” pay and qol from the last BK, so
lets not give it back.

2. Wonder if PBS will become an issue again with all of this given the cost savings to the company.

3. Ric didn’t do this to be nice, he did it to start the negotiation process. I am thankful, as hard as I have been on Tom regarding a couple of his choices, that he is our current MEC. I hope he holds strong for all of our sake.

 

go back to helicopters until this blows over. Google Amentum (URS) ft rucker. Yea I know, but way better as a contractor and I make more now than I ever did as a 4 heavy captain at the voy. And oh yea, Being off every weekend and holiday doesn’t suck either. Don’t wait for another mythical VLOA. They won’t change the language for FO’s. Not their MO. Just my 2 cents. Good luck.

 

What good is seniority at a temporary gig like Envoy? If you had your retirement job it'd be different, but in the long run who cares if you're junior or senior here except inasfar as it determines how quickly you get out (ability to get TPIC, etc.)

 

Probably will fly EMS close to home, I have about 5k rotor hours.

I have to wait on another CSLOA, or furlough bc I took the 21.5 check on day 1 and I’m not even at the one year past IOE mark...

 

Have to agree, worrying about seniority here is a waste of time. It only matters when you are at your final destination. Envoy is “not” my final destination lol.

 

I’m going to have to disagree with the apparent consensus here. This downturn will likely prove to vastly increase the value of the flow. If your goal is to get to a Major, it appears that UAL and DAL may be a good 5-6 years away from taking new hires again. AA is probably 1-2 years. That means there will be a good few years where AA is the only game in town. During that time you’ll have WO pilots taking up around half of all the new hire slots at the only major hiring. That’ll both help those flowing, and those below them (movement).

Obviously no one is going to flow in the time they hoped (or were promised), but no one is getting street hired anywhere with 300 TPIC anytime soon either. The comparative value of the flow, in my opinion, has gone up, not down.

Also, for those saying the seniority is meaningless...
Seniority is QOL and pay at the job you currently hold. If you’ve never been in aviation during a downturn, then here’s my two cents:
Make the best of the job you have. You never know how long you’ll be here.