Originally Posted by cornbeef007

As to your first point regarding the inability to get a SIL, I think very few would fall into that group. Ask yourself how many pilots do the absolute bare minimum and compare that to the guys pulling in 120 hours a month. Going down to 72 hours was a huge payout for the 120 crowd, how many of those guys are going to want to take SILs? Interestingly, Alaska had to force guys to take SILs, which I’m guessing was related to the above.

I don’t want to see guys on the street either but the company has created leverage to help sway us towards an ALV reduction. I believe in a manner that is malevolent and malicious.

They purposely created a displacement bid, they can’t possibly train for. That was done to make it as painful as possible, in order to create leverage. Whether we allow an ALV reduction or we furlough, that bid will be rescinded at some level going forward.

Have you spoken to many UNAs and got their thoughts on furlough? Surprisingly most that I have spoken with are in favor of keeping the ALV right where it’s at, with the risk of being on the street. I believe for two reasons:

1) The company has tried to leverage us for the reduction of ALV.

2) If you let them play games like this and still get the ALV reduction, they won’t change their playbook going forward. They will find other ways to pressure/punish us to get their ask.

The Union is doing a good job not giving into theirs asks. As painful as this is, an ALV reduction is giving a toddler candy when they are having a meltdown at the grocery store. Works good now but creates issues later.