Originally Posted by
Cogf16
So the entry level position at Delta is the right seat of a CRJ? Could Delta compete for new hires if our competitors dont' do this? And what would that pay? Agreed that it would solve a lot of scope issues but I think the company would really fight this, especially if other airlines don't(and of course we would target a MUCH HIGHER rate than current)
First question. Serious question too. Do you expect me to predict what would be a junior aircraft in the made up world i outlined? I cant tell you what's going to be junior. I would first assume everything in nyc will be junior for hiring.
Secondly.
23000 pilots at regional airlines in 2011 or 2012, nearly all flying RJs. You're saying theyre going to stay at the regionals rather than come to delta even if we offered the same hourly, and the rest of our contract is the same? Thats what it sounds like you're getting at. Delta doesnt buy airplanes for recruitment. Sailing has pointed out Delta hired more pilots than any other mainline airline in the last 10 years. American has how many more 777s? We had 20, we dont anymore. We are loading up on A220's, im fine with it. I believe those classes will be full because of it. I believe pilots will stay here to fly our airplanes because we are here for the contract and the great QOL it affords us.
I dont know where you're coming from on your POV, but ive heard some similar things from mil guys in my regional new hire classes as well as delta new hire classes. They openly mock the RJ's and the pilots flying them, which is why mainline gets the rep they have with regional guys. If thats what you're doing, im not gonna stop you, i would simply point out the majority of pilots in the airline industry, because we love it.
If tomorrow Delta tells me the hipsters just made their intentions clear, they want to fly to Chicago on a two legger in a 1900 with no fa and I'm doing it with no autopilot I'm still here for it. Im here for it if its a cessna. I fly people from here to there under a great contract, thats what i do for a living. I punch my clock, i smile, i cash my check, i leave.
Originally Posted by
PilotBases
You’d have no issue filling the RJ in bases that aren’t super junior such as NYC. I know plenty who’d fly a smaller jet if it meant some seniority in MSP, SLC, SEA and so on. The 175 is an easier jet to fly than half the planes here. If we got people to come when the 88 was the plug jet, there will be no worries at all.
Hell, even if you straight copied Endeavors hourly rates with Delta work rules, you’d have folks jumping to fly an RJ here.
Which this is all things Cog should know at this point.
Its not about how obvious the fix is, its that many pilots at Delta derride small jets and can't fathom a world where they'd be "made" to fly them.