Originally Posted by Margaritaville

You guys are unbelievable. This argument has literally been going on for over 2 decades since Delta bought Comair and ASA. Delta pilots have always had this superiority complex, and wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Well you can’t have it both ways. Back in the day, we all worked out an agreement that everyone got priority on their own metal. Maybe you should go back to that? Or maybe you can quit ****ing on pilots you perceive to be below you on the food chain. Last I checked, the only reason RJs exist is because Delta Air Lines Pilots sold scope in the 90s for a higher rate on the L10. You’ve been trying to put the genie back in the bottle, but still have the benefits of it, ever since.

Without RJs bringing your HVCs from podunk to your international hubs, your international flights would be very empty. You could eliminate the RJs and do that flying yourselves, but then you will all ***** and moan about crappy domestic flying. Or you could just shut up, let the RJs fly, and give the slave labor flying them (who create your profit sharing) some measly crumbs by letting them have decent pass benefits. Or you can keep complaining online for another 20 years, but that hasn’t changed anything yet, it just gives the rest of us in the industry to laugh at you all for your massive egos.

Originally Posted by theUpsideDown

Are you going to answer any of my questions? Or every time you find yourself stunned into silence try to change topics?
Dc-9-10 was 78 seats. 2 more seats than an rj 900. *Shrug* it sounds like you have a problem with RJs.

Originally Posted by Cogf16

Yeah, I wouldn't want to fly an RJ if I got hired at Delta and it probably would be at a low payrate. There are exceptions of course, but we still basically get paid for speed and number of seats. Now what questions do you want me to answer?

Originally Posted by theUpsideDown

First question. Serious question too. Do you expect me to predict what would be a junior aircraft in the made up world i outlined? I cant tell you what's going to be junior. I would first assume everything in nyc will be junior for hiring.

Secondly.
23000 pilots at regional airlines in 2011 or 2012, nearly all flying RJs. You're saying theyre going to stay at the regionals rather than come to delta even if we offered the same hourly, and the rest of our contract is the same? Thats what it sounds like you're getting at. Delta doesnt buy airplanes for recruitment. Sailing has pointed out Delta hired more pilots than any other mainline airline in the last 10 years. American has how many more 777s? We had 20, we dont anymore. We are loading up on A220's, im fine with it. I believe those classes will be full because of it. I believe pilots will stay here to fly our airplanes because we are here for the contract and the great QOL it affords us.

I dont know where you're coming from on your POV, but ive heard some similar things from mil guys in my regional new hire classes as well as delta new hire classes. They openly mock the RJ's and the pilots flying them, which is why mainline gets the rep they have with regional guys. If thats what you're doing, im not gonna stop you, i would simply point out the majority of pilots in the airline industry, because we love it.

If tomorrow Delta tells me the hipsters just made their intentions clear, they want to fly to Chicago on a two legger in a 1900 with no fa and I'm doing it with no autopilot I'm still here for it. Im here for it if its a cessna. I fly people from here to there under a great contract, thats what i do for a living. I punch my clock, i smile, i cash my check, i leave.

Which this is all things Cog should know at this point.

Its not about how obvious the fix is, its that many pilots at Delta derride small jets and can't fathom a world where they'd be "made" to fly them.