DCI, ANG, and DPJ were the 3 original paths. Now that DPJ is a part of WheelsUp it’s not clear how that path will function or even continue.

 

Who cares? If someone thinks they’re “too good” to start out potentially on an RJ and get short sighted rather than look at the long term, that’s their problem. There will be heaps of people still lining up here even if they might fly an ERJ.
Northwest had the short body DC-9s which were right around the seat capacity of the current two class RJs.

 

Major thread creep.....I started talking about the S3A priority, now this. I'll save my comments for only the Nonrev issue. Cheers

 

I meant as far as size and route structure compared to the 76 seaters. CRJ-900 could seat 90 without scope limit and is a 84,000lb airplane. FWIW the DC9-15 was 90,000 and the -30 was 105k. 737-200 was about the size of a 717 size and weight wise, again not that different from a CRJ900 or an E175. 50 seaters are dying and not really what we are talking about. I think DCI has less than 100 50 seaters (all supposed to be parked by 2023) while having almost 300 70+ seaters.

FWIW my full size suitcase fits in the overhead of a E175 or CRJ 7/9 and those planes have WiFi and meals on routes over 900NM just like mainline

 

Pre-covid 125 50 seat, 102 51-70 seat, 223 71-76 seat. Total of 325 large RJ and 450 in DCI.

Compass going away (RIP) brings the 71-76 seat number down by 35 to 188. OO had 83 50 seats, and already began the process of parking majority of those, leaving them now at 12 in DL paint, though they have 25 odd prorate / EAS for DL lingering around that aren’t in that count... 9E has another 42.
54 small RJ and 290 large RJ, totaling 344 right now. As GF said 0 small RJ by 2023

 

Are you going to answer any of my questions? Or every time you find yourself stunned into silence try to change topics?
​​​​​​​Dc-9-10 was 78 seats. 2 more seats than an rj 900. *Shrug* it sounds like you have a problem with RJs.

 

quite frankly I don’t care about the egos of guys we have not even hired yet. As it is right now DL flies jets, some big some small. If you can’t handle that don’t apply. If military applicants can’t handle the thought of flying an RJ (I honestly don’t think this will be a problem) there are 10,000+ current RJ pilots who would take that shot. Protecting our SCOPE is far more important than worrying if a new hire might have to spend a year or 2 flying a slightly smaller jet. If they get stuck on a smaller jet for longer than 2 years, then the only reason they had a job at DL in the first place is because of those jobs being moved. (assuming we could bring them on our certificate) By moving jets to mainline you are creating more stable jobs with more options. Recruiting pilots is delta’s problem. Making sure Delta pilots fly Delta passengers is our problem.

to your second point, probably a guaranteed interview (senior republic and Skywest pilots) or maybe a staple (the only regional this could work for is endeavor). When planes move from regional to regional the pilots rarely move with them. given our year 2 717B rate is higher than a maxed out -900 CA (endeavor and Skywest) and the sheer # of endeavor, republic, and skywest CAs that have applied here it’s kinda hard to argue career expectations at a regional should outweigh our pay scales.

not to mention AA flew E190s at payrates very similar to our CRJ rates up until this year, I don’t think they had a recruiting problem because of it.

this is all an exercise in futility given moving jets is currently not a proposal, but I will continue to strongly advocate for it.

 

Because it’s the root of the problem and the solution. It you want Delta retirees to have S3A eliminated, fix section 1. It’s only reason you have the problem you have.

 

I didn't read all 21 pages of this thread but does everyone at Delta look at AAL's/wholly owned nonrev system in horror? lol

 

You guys are unbelievable. This argument has literally been going on for over 2 decades since Delta bought Comair and ASA. Delta pilots have always had this superiority complex, and wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Well you can’t have it both ways. Back in the day, we all worked out an agreement that everyone got priority on their own metal. Maybe you should go back to that? Or maybe you can quit ****ing on pilots you perceive to be below you on the food chain. Last I checked, the only reason RJs exist is because Delta Air Lines Pilots sold scope in the 90s for a higher rate on the L10. You’ve been trying to put the genie back in the bottle, but still have the benefits of it, ever since.

Without RJs bringing your HVCs from podunk to your international hubs, your international flights would be very empty. You could eliminate the RJs and do that flying yourselves, but then you will all ***** and moan about crappy domestic flying. Or you could just shut up, let the RJs fly, and give the slave labor flying them (who create your profit sharing) some measly crumbs by letting them have decent pass benefits. Or you can keep complaining online for another 20 years, but that hasn’t changed anything yet, it just gives the rest of us in the industry to laugh at you all for your massive egos.