S3A.....Again
10-27-2020 | 01:52 PM
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S3A.....Again
I'm a VEOP. Yeah, they gave us 6 S3A pass days a year which is better than nothing. We'll all be retirees someday so this will impact everyone. Can i implore our MEC/pilot group to "undo" the S3A for Endeavor pilots and families? Even when I was active, I thought this was totally unacceptable that any Endeavor family member boards ahead of 30+ year Delta retirees. And yes, I spoke with my DTW Capt. rep about this(and he agreed)
If you guys give any ALV relief or anything for that matter, this is a "no cost item" you could get. Either get rid of S3A altogether, or elevate Delta retirees to S3A. My only compromise would be to allow Endeavor pilots commuting to work and return to have this status only.
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If you guys give any ALV relief or anything for that matter, this is a "no cost item" you could get. Either get rid of S3A altogether, or elevate Delta retirees to S3A. My only compromise would be to allow Endeavor pilots commuting to work and return to have this status only.
Fire away
10-27-2020 | 02:05 PM
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Hate to put it this way but Endeavor employees are active and flying/ working on delta owned planes exclusively for delta, retirees are not. Why should they get bumped by someone who has no current affiliation with delta (I say this as someone who never flew for endeavor)
I mean no disrespect, I hope you are able to enjoy your retirement, even if it was earlier than you hoped
I mean no disrespect, I hope you are able to enjoy your retirement, even if it was earlier than you hoped
10-27-2020 | 02:07 PM
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Why should they get priority? We own them, sure, but they are contracted labor. I would think our own retirees would benefit first.
I think the Endeavor pilots are great, but they shouldn’t water down our own benefits.
I think the Endeavor pilots are great, but they shouldn’t water down our own benefits.
10-27-2020 | 02:09 PM
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Hate to put it this way but Endeavor employees are active and flying/ working on delta owned planes exclusively for delta, retirees are not. Why should they get bumped by someone who has no current affiliation with delta (I say this as someone who never flew for endeavor)
Sure thing Cog! I've voiced same to by council. This needs to be un-f'd
GF - the family of the EDV employee is not actively flying. No. They don't get S3A. The active employees of EDV are contract labor. No S3A either. We have to draw a line here, and Cog has a very reasonable request many here I think would support. It is an easy win if we ask IMHO.
10-27-2020 | 02:12 PM
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Sure thing Cog! I've voiced same to by council. This needs to be un-f'd
GF - the family of the EDV employee is not actively flying. No. They don't get S3A. We have to draw a line here, and Cog has a very reasonable request many here I think would support. It is an easy win if we ask IMHO.
GF - the family of the EDV employee is not actively flying. No. They don't get S3A. We have to draw a line here, and Cog has a very reasonable request many here I think would support. It is an easy win if we ask IMHO.
10-27-2020 | 02:15 PM
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The S3A to EDV was a spiteful jab at this Delta pilot group - nothing more.
10-27-2020 | 02:21 PM
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S3A was not a spiteful jab at Delta pilots. That’s laughable if you really think that. Endeavor employees contribute exclusively to delta’s operations daily. Why should they go behind someone who is no longer affiliated with delta? Why not just have retirees keep their S3s with DOH and go to the front of the list?
I should say, as a furloughee I am going to be on S3B passes myself very shortly and I still think 9E should get S3As
10-27-2020 | 02:32 PM
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Lol yeah, because I have a different view than you I should move to Venezuela.
S3A was not a spiteful jab at Delta pilots. That’s laughable if you really think that. Endeavor employees contribute exclusively to delta’s operations daily. Why should they go behind someone who is no longer affiliated with delta? Why not just have retirees keep their S3s with DOH and go to the front of the list?
I should say, as a furloughee I am going to be on S3B passes myself very shortly and I still think 9E should get S3As
S3A was not a spiteful jab at Delta pilots. That’s laughable if you really think that. Endeavor employees contribute exclusively to delta’s operations daily. Why should they go behind someone who is no longer affiliated with delta? Why not just have retirees keep their S3s with DOH and go to the front of the list?
I should say, as a furloughee I am going to be on S3B passes myself very shortly and I still think 9E should get S3As
It was definitely a jab at the DAL pilots. It’s laughable if you don’t think that.....
I’d propose maybe using years of service as the metric for these two groups. For example, I think a DL retiree with 30 yrs service should have priority over an active EDV pilot with 10 years service. But, the 10 year EDV pilot would have priority over a 5 year DAL S3B. Just a thought.
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10-27-2020 | 02:42 PM
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It was definitely a jab at the DAL pilots. It’s laughable if you don’t think that.....
I’d propose maybe using years of service as the metric for these two groups. For example, I think a DL retiree with 30 yrs service should have priority over an active EDV pilot with 10 years service. But, the 10 year EDV pilot would have priority over a 5 year DAL S3B. Just a thought.
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I’d propose maybe using years of service as the metric for these two groups. For example, I think a DL retiree with 30 yrs service should have priority over an active EDV pilot with 10 years service. But, the 10 year EDV pilot would have priority over a 5 year DAL S3B. Just a thought.
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The S3A retiree vacation passes work that way, I personally think this is a great compromise. I’m guessing Cog has a DOH before just about every endeavor employee and could have used that as a way to go ahead of them. But (and this is a serious question, not rhetorical) why should an active employee who exclusively works for delta go behind someone who has no current affiliation to DL?
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