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We can excuse your naivete, what 2 or 3 years on the property? You'll feel different after 30 years of being a Delta leader, or so we've been called. Cog's got a point, and he's done all the heavy lifting for a long time.

 

Ah the condescension route. Lets see how that plays.

 

Delta historically has chopped up it's pilot retirees with gay abandon. This is just another bite of the poop sandwich.

 

yep must be because I’m new and not because I look at the operation and weigh how each party is or is not involved in said operation. It is my opinion that one of these two should happen to have an equitable relationship

1) active pilots that exclusively fly delta passengers should have priority over retirees

OR

2) employees and retirees should have priority on their own metal over all active and retirees from another airline (including regionals).

if we want to say DL retirees should go ahead of active endeavor pilots on DL metal, then all active endeavor employees and retirees should go ahead of active delta employees on endeavor metal. Since currently a delta pilot can bump an endeavor employee off an endeavor flight, I don’t think it is equitable to say a delta retiree should go ahead of an active endeavor employee.

you can be as condescending and dismissive as you want, I’ve been around aviation for decades I’ve formed my opinion off tons of experience non revving on all 3 major airlines.

If you really want to get mad, we could adopt American’s policy. All active employees of American or any of their wholly owned carriers travel at the same priority determined by time of check in. a brand new envoy pilot or gate agent can bump a 35 year AA guy off an AA flight.

on a side note I like a lot about AAs non rev system and priority better than Delta’s, but WOs getting the same priority as mainline on mainline metal (and vice versa) is probably the exception to that rule.

 

I agree - make Endeavor S3 and grant those special S2 yearly. Great idea!

 

I believe the point AA is making is that WO regional subsidiaries are still part of their employment group. Yes, it’s a different operating certificate. But PSA, Envoy, Piedmont only fly AA passengers on AA owned aircraft. Like it or not, 9E employees are branded Delta employees when it is convenient and contract labor when it’s not.

Everyone complaining about retired DAL employees going behind 9E - simply put it’s a business decision. 9E has 6,000 employees in the whole network. How many DAL retirees (now separated from the company and not providing anything for the DAL bottom line) are there? Why are you not complaining about DPJ? DAL got tired of paying 3 revenue pax $3000 each to get off the 8am because the 9 retirees got on the 6am several dozen times a week. You want to solve this problem? Fix your scope clause.

 

Spot on. Fix our scope clause and this is a mute point. But ego gets in the way.
I have no issue with the company putting WO 9E on board ahead of retirees. They are actively contributing to the bottom dollar. They should be on our seniority list. But those retirees sold out scope.

Besides how many active 9E pilots have a DOH older than our retirees??? Correct me if I’m wrong S3A vs S3A is determined by DOH. Is this what they’re really arguing about?

 

how about whoever owns the aircraft gets priority. How many aircraft does endeavor own? Zero. I agree our retirees built this company. Most don’t even know about this change still. If we had a vote on this(I know we don’t/won’t) it would not pass at all.

 

So you're saying Boeing employees should go ahead of us on the 717s?