Originally Posted by
Andy
I confess that this is the first time I've ever heard of a relief captain not being checked out as a captain. Must be a eurothing.
How many stripes does the relief captain have? 4? What's his title? Relief
captain?
But sure, he's only
called a captain; he's not a captain.
P1 is a new term to me. We use PIC time. And yes, one person on the flight deck logs PIC time. Because you can't log PIC time in the bunk. Or is that another euro thing? Logging P1 (if that's what you call it) time while unconscious in the bunks?
You are definitely not familiar with the FARs. In accordance with FAR 61.51, a relief captain will log PIC time when he is on duty and in charge on the flight deck.
It sounds like you're just making stuff up to justify your pretzel logic.
'A relief captain's not a captain' ... amusing. No wonder you were stuck working at Norwegian. Cream of the crop.
I am very familiar with the FARs. In case you were not aware, there is an entire world that operates outside of the FARs, and P1 is used in most places around the world. Norwegian was not a U.S. airline, it operated under EASA regulations. Under EASA regulations RCAs could not log P1 time, they could log P1 under supervision (P1/US), but as they were not line checked, or PC'd as a captain, and they were not listed as PIC on the release, they could not log P1 time. RCAs had to go through the upgrade process, including letters of recommendation, evaluations of OPCs/LPCs and prior line checks, an online training course, and a chief pilot interview in order to be selected to go to the "command course". Outside of a title, and three and a half stripes, they were not captains in any sense of the word, neither for practical purposes nor for regulatory purposes.