Originally Posted by
CincoDeMayo
Exactly. Its like when people are on reserve and dont get used and say "I had the entire month off". Ah, no you did not. You did not get called but still were on call, tied to a call out time, and had to be ready to go. I could have bid long call reserve and enjoyed my 24 hour call out and 72 hours but it is not even close as the same as being off.
This guy is just being a clown and trying to justify furloughing his fellow pilots as being acceptable because he got to sit reserve and not get used, while acting like a mention in a news article is something to be excited by. Spirit can continue to take new planes and he can stroke to the idea 12 year old "new planes" and market cap.
seems like you aren’t familiar with anything that we did and are doing at G4 during the pandemic. I happily sat at home for 3 months collecting min without having to be phone contactable at all, the other 7 I flew 2-3 days a month not being phone liable for the other 27. If I didn’t want to be phone contactable we had, and continue to have a 100% voluntary ETO program that was not tied in any way to preventing furloughs (ours is only 45 hours). I’m not trying to justify furloughing pilots at all. Not one pilot at G4 wanted to furlough, we gave the company every chance to prevent furloughs short of taking concessions, including taking a 50% pay cut in the form of a loan to be paid back after recovery. Our union asked for financials when we were asked to consider concessions and the financials
clearly showed there was no need to furlough or take concessions. The reason pilots at G4 got furloughed was not because the company was losing money or needed to furlough ( we had a positive EBITDA excluding gov funds in q4) they were furloughed as a ploy to try and extort deep concessions for up to two years. Our union saw right through this and played the game flawlessly. All pilots back on property, no loss of seniority accrual, no loss of medical coverage, and at a maximum a loss of 142 hours of pay for furloughed pilots.
Sounds like you like sitting at home stroking to your new aircraft deliveries (as long as you don’t look at the debt side of you balance sheet or your long term lease contracts). Personally I don’t think spirit is a bad career move for anybody, you and every pilot
there should have great careers, but you are kidding yourself to think it’s a more financially stable company than G4. You guys have a much better relationship with management than we will ever have.
Right now you have a better contact than we do, I wouldn’t want it any other way... how else can we justify trying to get ourselves a better contract? We learned a lot from our first contract negotiations 5 years ago. It’s not only in G4 pilots best interest to get an industry leading contract but in every pilots interest for when it’s time to negotiate your next contract! Remember when we signed our contract 5 years ago we had better rates than Delta on the 80... because we raised the bar, you and F9 were able to raise the bar further. G4 is consistently the most profitable airline in the US and can clearly afford to pay us industry leading wages and benefits, this bodes well for F9 and SAVE, you guys have the closest business model to us and are worth as much or more when it’s your time to negotiate... just happens that it’s our turn to step up to the plate right now.