Originally Posted by
TrojanCMH
Certain airline pilot unions still take pride in having a say in who they hire and will fight to have a seat at the interview table rather than just giving it away to some regional mid level manager looking to fill seats as quickly as possible.
Everyone thinking they should be given a seniority number at American because they’re at a wholly owned are delusional. If you’re on the same seniority list, you’re the same pilot group. How would this even work? This Envoy pipe dream is basically a B scale with fences.
Also if they give envoy new hires AA seniority numbers then they should give all military pilots the opportunity to get seniority numbers too. What’s fair is fair... I’m not military but come on, those guys have paid their dues just as much as a freshly hired 1500 hour CFI at a wholly owned. Why does some 23 year old cfi deserve a legacy seniority number but some guy who went the military route not? The flow is already the easiest path to a major. You guys have it so much easier than anyone in history in regards to getting to a major. No interviews, no BS job fair, no interview prep... Just wait and keep your nose clean, seems easy enough.
Exactly. And they still have the opportunity to apply outside of the flow. Best of both worlds.
All of this stems from the marketing ploy to convince young and eager CFIs that if they come to Envoy/Piedmont/PSA, they are essentially AA pilots. Reading some of the “we wear the same uniform” “our callouts and manuals are similar” “we call AA IT when our iPads don’t work”, it’s kind of sad that some people truly internalize this scheme designed to put butts in seats rather than see it for what it is.
The flow is a great opportunity for regional pilots. And the flows are just as capable as off the street hires when their time comes. But they aren’t AA pilots, they just work for a company with a contract to flow.