I agree with Teds answer - you aren't. That doesn't mean that we can't work to improve the PWA for everyone with all around PWA around improvements. Paint me as skeptical on carve-outs for individual demographics. We should focus on some kind of health care for all retirees vice chasing the DB resurrection phantom.

I disagree with Ted on one issue though - he makes it seem like the VEOP and 800 more retirements would make a difference. We voted against this in 2005 when everyone had a pension. DAL Pilots voted to not fight the pension termination via LOA 51 when every single DAL Pilot - 100% of us - had a retirement on the line. LOA 51 was the only vote in 21 years in which I voted in the minority. I knew we would never get the DB back and yes, we might not even have been able to save it, but at least if we had it taken from us we could make a better case for restoration. The retirement guys never mention the fact that we willingly voted it away.

So who thinks when we couldn't get Pilots with a pension on the line to risk fighting for it we can get Pilots who weren't even at Delta back then to sacrifice for it?

Look - plenty of guys got screwed really bad during this time, but it was 16 years and 3-4 contracts ago - time to move on and fight future battles instead of lamenting past defeats or maybe more accurately past surrenders. Like I said I voted against the termination and was willing to die on that hill 16 years ago - not today.

Scoop