Originally Posted by JustAsking

Sorry if some of this is repetitive, but many of the threads are so dated or have gone down rabbit holes its hard to find current information. Basically, I am wondering what the real, current situation with pilots at Envoy is. Before Coronavirus, envoy had shortages and mandatory Captain upgrades. Are we back to pilot shortages, with all pilots wanting to return back now?

Yes there is a shortage of pilots, but there is no likelihood of forced upgrades on the horizon.


And has enough time passed to see what affect the last 12 months had on seniority (particularly more senior pilots - are they leaving, or sticking it out looking for flow?).

There is a lot of attrition right now and no one flowing. If you are looking as a new hire, I’m not sure why it would matter though. Everyone makes their own decisions based on their personal situations, and the situation is guaranteed to change before it becomes relevant to you. For the record, I have never once met an EGL/ENY pilot who “just waited to flow”.



Finally, how does bidding for Captain upgrade go, and can you wait to build seniority or is it mandatory and you just get what you get? Do you bid just to upgrade, or do you bid by aircraft, then base?


The forced upgrades that were happening in 2018-2019 were an outlier. To my knowledge it has never happened before and I find it highly unlikely it will again. You will bid for the equipment and base you want whenever you want, and you’ll hold what your seniority can hold.