Originally Posted by
busdriver12
Not really sure that anyone could accurately answer those questions. But in the last month in my close circle alone, I can give you four little kids who got sick due to their anti-vax parents spreading it to them. Hopefully they will not have any lasting physical issues from this. One convalescent person whose caretaker refused to vaccinate him or herself and got Covid, gave it to him and killed him. Seems like it's the new way to murder your parents and get away with it. And an at risk person who got vaccinated early, immunity waned, and got sick, no doubt because he lives in a low vax area and was repetitively exposed. Fortunately he didn't get too sick (thank you vaccine).
0.2% of people killed in this country from a new disease, along with all the people suffering from long haul effects, is a large number. Especially since not everyone has gotten Covid, not everyone will, and it's not done with us yet. What is it, the #3 cause of death, behind heart disease and over 100 types of cancer all added together? And that's with all the measures we've taken. The social distancing, masking, vaccinations, staying at home, improving airflow, pouring billions of dollars into care and research. Can you imagine if we just pretended it was like the flu, like some people do, took no precautions, did no research, and pretended as if it didn't exist? How many more millions would be dead or suffering long term effects?
Even the former president, with a full load of antibodies from a serious case of Covid and the additional monoclonal antibody infusions, got himself vaccinated at the first possible opportunity.
All anecdotal. By definition, 0.2% is not a large number. People want to take some freedom away from everyone for 0.2%. And if you look at the young and healthy, that number goes even lower, something like 0.00something percent? As for the answer to my questions, maybe you are right. But those answers need to be known before we decide to limit people’s liberties, imho.
If you want to protect yourself, vaccinate. That seems to be the best way to protect yourself from the unvaccinated. No need to take liberties away for 0.2% of the total population.
One last thing, the majority of people are fully vaccinated. Three quarters have at least one vaccine. About 15% have tested positive, which amounts to a small percentage of all people who have gotten COVID. With those numbers helping here immunity, we don’t need to sacrifice everyone’s freedom and liberty for the infinitesimal minority, especially when one knows if they are the ones most at risk and therefore know to take as many mitigation efforts their risk aversion allows.
Originally Posted by
busdriver12
Really? News flash.... no vaccines are 100% effective. This is no different. It significantly lowers your chance of getting infected. Guessing you don’t wear seatbelts because there’s not a 100% chance of them saving your life, right?
I need to give up these kind of threads and just start banging my head against the wall. We’re never going to get rid of Covid with this kind of insanity. But maybe we’ll upgrade the gene pool.
I like the seatbelt analogy. This vaccine mandate is like you, as a seatbelt wearer, not letting people participate in society because they refuse to wear a seatbelt, especially when they decide not to drive and take the bus instead.