Vaccine Stance
11-05-2021, 09:16 AM
#541
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I’m sorry to your troubles fishn.
I’m also sorry to inform you that you will no longer be permitted to continue in this profession. The icing on the cake is that some of your “union brothers” will publicly delight in your personal and financial misery. You’ve probably already read their elated posts about moving up seniority numbers and purging the selfish who must find other employment. You might get a bit of a pass from them because you didn’t reference your faith or American values - they truly hate those words.
I hope you feel blessed that you are made of better stuff than these psychos that cheer the financial ruin of their union brethren. Maybe we can talk about cool planes sometime, because that is supposed to be a better alternative than complaining.
I can tell that you will be content in your decision and things will work out for you - hopefully here. God bless you.
I’m also sorry to inform you that you will no longer be permitted to continue in this profession. The icing on the cake is that some of your “union brothers” will publicly delight in your personal and financial misery. You’ve probably already read their elated posts about moving up seniority numbers and purging the selfish who must find other employment. You might get a bit of a pass from them because you didn’t reference your faith or American values - they truly hate those words.
I hope you feel blessed that you are made of better stuff than these psychos that cheer the financial ruin of their union brethren. Maybe we can talk about cool planes sometime, because that is supposed to be a better alternative than complaining.
I can tell that you will be content in your decision and things will work out for you - hopefully here. God bless you.
11-05-2021, 09:48 AM
#542
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
The funny thing about your rant is the article that I posted above that states that FedEx has until January 4th to make sure you are fully vaccinated or they'll be on the business end of a $14,000 fine for just you. There is a once a week testing option that FedEx might qualify for depending on whether or not we're viewed as a government contractor. These things have repeatedly held up in court according to the document ALPA legal is posting on our own Union's website. In addition to that foreign countries keep restricting what the unvaccinated can do in their countries. Keep running your mouth. I'll be here when you say you're quitting over it... I'll also be here when you call everyone a Nazi for forcing you to get it. I'll be here when you realize the world isn't ending and move on to some other topic... In the meantime it might help to lay off the Qanon. It's not good for your mental health. I hope the jumpseat back from DFW went well.
Second - Since logistical chaos couldn’t be allowed prior to Christmas, you think it’s going to be officially rescheduled to January 4th? That is an interesting perspective. Hopefully you are positioning some stocks for the calamity that is marked on the calendar to cash in. Maybe you can loan some to your former brothers that you hope will be blacklisted from the airline industry because of their medical, religious, or personal beliefs. Muh oh muh!.
Third - There is a lot of anger against the deadly unvaxxed that is blinding your ability to reason, even with your own wallet! When significant numbers retire or are fired on January 4th, the company will probably claim financial hardship and compel your remaining union brothers to agree to a substandard contract again. This will affect you for years. Not very savvy, but at least all those puritans and dopey Qers will be gone right?!
Fourth - I don’t know if you spend much time in the company manuals on your iPad, but they have an exemption for EVERYTHING! Efvs approaches below standard weather mins is just an example, but there are tons of others and the company invests top dollar for these competitive advantages. Don’t you think they will maneuver into some kind of an exemption that will allow the deadly unvaxxed to continue working? After all this investment and leverage deployed, you think they are going to let the branch covidians significantly cut their bottom line by restricting their workforce? I tell you this because you and your jabtastic comrades should prepare yourselves for a career of working shoulder to shoulder with the deadly unvaxxed - this company is not going to lose money for some flimsy osha rules and a senile press release. That is why other airlines appear to be safer for you and the others here who have demonstrated the clear danger of the mere presence of the unvaxxed. If you stay here, you will be miserable because this company will essentially pay their way out of the mandate. It would be pretty selfish and greedy to work for a company like that don’t you think?
As the great philosophers in Limp Bizkit once said, “just think about it...”
11-05-2021, 06:16 PM
#543
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Asking for a friend, if the two new oral treatments that have been approved (US UK) are as effective as the makers claim, wouldn't they be an alternative treatment? And, isn't an Emergency Use Authorization predicated on, no alternative treatment available? And, as for Comirnaty, didn't the CDC just admit it is NOT exactly the same as what is available in the US? If it isn't exactly the same, from a legal perspective, then the ones here are still under EUA. It has to be legal, because it has to be in accordance federal regulation which carry the weight of law. Reference the Administrative Procedures Act.
For the keyboard kommandos, the simplest epidimiological action is to jab everyone, then sort it out later. Like Army Anti Air, shoot every airplane down then sort it out later, on the ground. Plus, as time goes by, the largest safety and side effect studies in the history of mankind will have been completed, but that will take several years (3-6). From a individual health perspective, you are rolling the dice of a small statistical study on whether you will have an adverse reaction that is ground-able. From personal experience, going on disability is much easier if your highest 12 month consecutive earnings in the previous 36 months is over 200k versus not much over 120k. As for adverse reactions, VAERS website is available to the kommandos too, if they can decide to learn a little. It's like aviation safety, great statistics until you be one.
For the keyboard kommandos, the simplest epidimiological action is to jab everyone, then sort it out later. Like Army Anti Air, shoot every airplane down then sort it out later, on the ground. Plus, as time goes by, the largest safety and side effect studies in the history of mankind will have been completed, but that will take several years (3-6). From a individual health perspective, you are rolling the dice of a small statistical study on whether you will have an adverse reaction that is ground-able. From personal experience, going on disability is much easier if your highest 12 month consecutive earnings in the previous 36 months is over 200k versus not much over 120k. As for adverse reactions, VAERS website is available to the kommandos too, if they can decide to learn a little. It's like aviation safety, great statistics until you be one.
11-06-2021, 06:25 PM
#544
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Uh oh. It seems like an appeals court of q loving and Bi**e thumping judges have put the brakes on things. How selfish of them.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=uxbndlbing
At least there are a couple safe places to work still in the industry where individual “rights” don’t Trump safety.
“Mandates appear to have helped drive an increase in vaccinations. United Airlines, which had one of the strictest mandates for a major air carrier, said its employee vaccination rate increased to more than 99 percent. Delta, which used financial penalties and testing requirements, saw the employee vaccination rate jump to 90 percent from 75 percent.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=uxbndlbing
At least there are a couple safe places to work still in the industry where individual “rights” don’t Trump safety.
“Mandates appear to have helped drive an increase in vaccinations. United Airlines, which had one of the strictest mandates for a major air carrier, said its employee vaccination rate increased to more than 99 percent. Delta, which used financial penalties and testing requirements, saw the employee vaccination rate jump to 90 percent from 75 percent.”
11-07-2021, 02:56 PM
#545
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: 777 CAP
Posts: 494
Vaccine Stance
Originally Posted by fishn
Please research the adverse reaction of Tinnitus. 30-ish days after my fauci ouchie I developed and have had it for the past two weeks. This has occurred with all the brands not just the one I’ve taken. It’s a more rare reaction but it’s real and it could affect your future 1st class medical. How on earth any pilot could support a inoculation (it’s not a vaccine) that has so many potential adverse side effects that could affect your career is beyond me. This isn’t your average flu shot or proven vaccine it’s a new type of inoculation without long term data and potentially serious side effects.
I'm praying it resolves but what if said employer requires the booster jab for job? Are you willing to put your medical and career on the line over and over again? Not me. I’ll file medical/religious exemptions, take leave of absence, or find a place that won’t put me in a position where I have to choose.
This should be a choice you get to make not a mandate. If you feel it’s right for you, take it. If you have concerns about the side effects then you should have the choice to not take it without fear of losing a way to provide for your family.
I'm praying it resolves but what if said employer requires the booster jab for job? Are you willing to put your medical and career on the line over and over again? Not me. I’ll file medical/religious exemptions, take leave of absence, or find a place that won’t put me in a position where I have to choose.
This should be a choice you get to make not a mandate. If you feel it’s right for you, take it. If you have concerns about the side effects then you should have the choice to not take it without fear of losing a way to provide for your family.
I flew with another crew member recently. He had the first dose of Pfizer and about a day later developed moderate tinnitus. He’s been living with it for at least 4 months now. He went to a specialist and when he told the doc he had recently had the Pfizer shot the doc shook his head and said, “Not another one.” VAERS had 10,000+ reported cases of tinnitus the last I looked a couple months ago. He said he’s had to change his lifestyle to adapt to the never ending ringing in his ears. Don’t shoot the messenger. Just FYI. Take it or ignore it.
11-07-2021, 03:28 PM
#546
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Someone across the room whispers "take the jab, take the jab". You go, "Huh, What?"
And there goeth your class1. Brilliant.
So sayeth I, "Huh, Really! You did that"
Just replace dance with fly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izGwDsrQ1eQ
And there goeth your class1. Brilliant.
So sayeth I, "Huh, Really! You did that"
Just replace dance with fly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izGwDsrQ1eQ
11-07-2021, 03:28 PM
#547
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: 777 CAP
Posts: 494
Vaccine Stance
Originally Posted by Huh really
Asking for a friend, if the two new oral treatments that have been approved (US UK) are as effective as the makers claim, wouldn't they be an alternative treatment? And, isn't an Emergency Use Authorization predicated on, no alternative treatment available? And, as for Comirnaty, didn't the CDC just admit it is NOT exactly the same as what is available in the US? If it isn't exactly the same, from a legal perspective, then the ones here are still under EUA. It has to be legal, because it has to be in accordance federal regulation which carry the weight of law. Reference the Administrative Procedures Act.
For the keyboard kommandos, the simplest epidimiological action is to jab everyone, then sort it out later. Like Army Anti Air, shoot every airplane down then sort it out later, on the ground. Plus, as time goes by, the largest safety and side effect studies in the history of mankind will have been completed, but that will take several years (3-6). From a individual health perspective, you are rolling the dice of a small statistical study on whether you will have an adverse reaction that is ground-able. From personal experience, going on disability is much easier if your highest 12 month consecutive earnings in the previous 36 months is over 200k versus not much over 120k. As for adverse reactions, VAERS website is available to the kommandos too, if they can decide to learn a little. It's like aviation safety, great statistics until you be one.
For the keyboard kommandos, the simplest epidimiological action is to jab everyone, then sort it out later. Like Army Anti Air, shoot every airplane down then sort it out later, on the ground. Plus, as time goes by, the largest safety and side effect studies in the history of mankind will have been completed, but that will take several years (3-6). From a individual health perspective, you are rolling the dice of a small statistical study on whether you will have an adverse reaction that is ground-able. From personal experience, going on disability is much easier if your highest 12 month consecutive earnings in the previous 36 months is over 200k versus not much over 120k. As for adverse reactions, VAERS website is available to the kommandos too, if they can decide to learn a little. It's like aviation safety, great statistics until you be one.
Your questions concerning an EUA, viable alternative treatments and Comirnaty are all correct. If you go to the FDA website you can search for the definition of an EUA. It clearly states that an EUA cannot exist if there are viable alternative treatments.
I have a full copy of the FDA approval for Comirnaty which is the patented name for the FDA approved mENA vaccine. The document also extends the EUA for the Pfizer shot currently being used in the U.S. As a condition of approval for Comirnaty the FDA required a new WARNING on the label for Myocarditis.
Once a viable alternative treatment is approved, the EUA’s cannot coexist unless the other treatments are also under an EUA.
Now for some interesting news since it was a big day yesterday with the federal judge halting Biden’s mandate.
This is my research below and then some links follow:
Emergent Biosolutions is the same company with the same CEO that rebranded their name from Bioport. This is the company that was awarded the sole source contract from the DOD for the Anthrax vaccine. They were cited by the FDA for numerous violations and ultimately issued a letter of intent to revoke their license. Emergent Biosolutions is the company making and distributing the J & J COVID vaccine. They have already had to pause for poor manufacturing standards and had to destroy millions of contaminated doses of the J & J vaccine.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-can...heLibertyDaily
Well if it’s any comfort Pfizer manipulated their clinical trial data as stated in this major peer reviewed medical journal.
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635
Video with analysis of the Pfizer clinical trials here:
https://youtu.be/THv33zWykJc
https://youtu.be/_LzcGOjDl8Q
And let’s not leave out Moderna. They have never had an FDA approved drug or vaccine in the history of the company. Then in record time they come out with a “safe and effective” vaccine that was authorized under an EUA. Still not FDA approved.
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