Vaccine Stance
08-28-2021, 07:37 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by urinmyseat
As airline pilots, all of us are at a greater risk of blood clots even before Covid-19 was..."Discovered." We fly at high altitudes with very arid conditions, while sitting for long periods. We meet all the conditions for increased risk of forming blood clots. It has been proven that the gene therapy they inaccurately call a vaccine does indeed have a common side effect of increased risk of blood clots. Seems like that should be a good enough reason for pilots to have a medical exemption. This was explained to me by my family doctor when I asked his advice on taking the experimental gene therapy. And yes folks, it is still experimental. The vaccine that was approved by the FDA is not being manufactured until all the experimental vaccines are used up. Millions of old doses before production will begin. That means, no lawsuits if this vaccine causes you loss of income, quality of life, or life itself.
reference the chart a few posts above.
Also it is distinctly different from gene therapy
“Gene therapy, in the classical sense, involves making deliberate changes to a patient’s DNA in order to treat or cure them. mRNA vaccines will not enter a cell's nucleus that houses your DNA genome. There is zero risk of these vaccines integrating into our own genome or altering our genetic makeup.”
Last edited by BlueMoon; 08-28-2021 at 07:48 AM.
08-28-2021, 08:21 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by Rock
Last two times I’ve been tested at the AOC, the nurses there said they are getting 3-4 pilots testing positive each day. Almost all are vaccinated. Israel just published an 800,000 person study saying vaccinated people are 13 times more likely to be infected with the delta variant of COVID than people with natural immunity, and 27 times more likely to have symptomatic infection than people with natural immunity. Requiring every Fedex employee to take a vaccine that is now showing less than 40% effectiveness against the latest COVID variants, and is already being recommended for boosters after 6 months is not a strategy for success at FedEx. Especially when so many employees already have the more effective natural immunity.
Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot
Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot
If you're correct, I'd prefer to achieve my superhuman natural immunity by developing a hospital-free, non-lethal, probably asymptomatic case of covid courtesy of my vaccination.
If people are still developing mild and asymptomatic covid while vaccinated, this is this best case scenario. We march on toward herd immunity and "naturally" developed immune cells while keeping people out of the hospitals and morgues. It would seem to be the perfect scenario.
You go ahead and do it the hard way.
Last edited by Merle Haggard; 08-28-2021 at 08:39 AM.
08-28-2021, 08:51 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
You're ignoring the vast differences in hospitalization and death rate. You're ignoring the huge continuum that "symptomatic" can entail (from a sniffle to fluid filled lungs and suffocation). Lumping symptomatic into a single group is flat-out moronic.
If you're correct, I'd prefer to achieve my superhuman natural immunity by developing a hospital-free, non-lethal, probably asymptomatic case of covid courtesy of my vaccination.
If people are still developing mild and asymptomatic covid while vaccinated, this is this best case scenario. We march on toward herd immunity and "naturally" developed immune cells while keeping people out of the hospitals and morgues. It would seem to be the perfect scenario.
You go ahead and do it the hard way.
If you're correct, I'd prefer to achieve my superhuman natural immunity by developing a hospital-free, non-lethal, probably asymptomatic case of covid courtesy of my vaccination.
If people are still developing mild and asymptomatic covid while vaccinated, this is this best case scenario. We march on toward herd immunity and "naturally" developed immune cells while keeping people out of the hospitals and morgues. It would seem to be the perfect scenario.
You go ahead and do it the hard way.
Let alone if you need a non emergency surgery like a torn ligament or rotator cuff. You may be waiting longer for those surgeries and that keeps you from getting back to work and you just drain your DSA.
08-28-2021, 09:07 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by max8222
Rock, So you are saying everyone should get Covid instead of the vaccine because they will have better immunity against reinfection?
Curious as to why the pilots are showing up to work Covid positive after having the vaccine? Maybe because the vaccine is doing it’s job and those that are vaccinated are not getting very sick and maybe not sick at all.
Curious as to why the pilots are showing up to work Covid positive after having the vaccine? Maybe because the vaccine is doing it’s job and those that are vaccinated are not getting very sick and maybe not sick at all.
08-28-2021, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by urinmyseat
As airline pilots, all of us are at a greater risk of blood clots even before Covid-19 was..."Discovered." We fly at high altitudes with very arid conditions, while sitting for long periods. We meet all the conditions for increased risk of forming blood clots. It has been proven that the gene therapy they inaccurately call a vaccine does indeed have a common side effect of increased risk of blood clots. Seems like that should be a good enough reason for pilots to have a medical exemption. This was explained to me by my family doctor when I asked his advice on taking the experimental gene therapy. And yes folks, it is still experimental. The vaccine that was approved by the FDA is not being manufactured until all the experimental vaccines are used up. Millions of old doses before production will begin. That means, no lawsuits if this vaccine causes you loss of income, quality of life, or life itself.
08-28-2021, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
This. It’s not so much i’m worrying of dieing of Covid, but if I get in a car accident and need an icu bed it maybe tough to find one that isn’t already filled.
Let alone if you need a non emergency surgery like a torn ligament or rotator cuff. You may be waiting longer for those surgeries and that keeps you from getting back to work and you just drain your DSA.
Let alone if you need a non emergency surgery like a torn ligament or rotator cuff. You may be waiting longer for those surgeries and that keeps you from getting back to work and you just drain your DSA.
08-28-2021, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
You have a far greater chance of DVT from getting actual Covid than you do from the vaccine.
reference the chart a few posts above.
Also it is distinctly different from gene therapy
https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2PH16N
reference the chart a few posts above.
Also it is distinctly different from gene therapy
https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2PH16N
Well, I'm not sure I understand a chart that shows negative numbers per 100,000. I understand no cases of kidney failure, but not -9, -5, -2, etc. Does the chart show spontaneous healing of those diseases after vaccination? As for it not being gene therapy. How does taking a vaccine that forces your cells to replicate a spike protein that does not occur naturally in the human body not qualify as gene therapy? It forces the cells to create a spike protein where the DNA has been fractured. This isn't a traditional vaccine that causes the body to develop antibodies because a weak or dead virus is introduced. That's why the vaccinated can pass on the virus after they get it. The vaccine does not help us to kill the virus, only possibly not suffer the symptoms as much, and even that is open to discussion.
Let's agree, I won't change your mind, and you won't change mine. Thank goodness we live in a country where we have the right to say, "My body, my choice."
08-28-2021, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Rock
Last two times I’ve been tested at the AOC, the nurses there said they are getting 3-4 pilots testing positive each day. Almost all are vaccinated. Israel just published an 800,000 person study saying vaccinated people are 13 times more likely to be infected with the delta variant of COVID than people with natural immunity, and 27 times more likely to have symptomatic infection than people with natural immunity. Requiring every Fedex employee to take a vaccine that is now showing less than 40% effectiveness against the latest COVID variants, and is already being recommended for boosters after 6 months is not a strategy for success at FedEx. Especially when so many employees already have the more effective natural immunity.
Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot
Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot
I’m not sure what you mean by 40% less effectiveness. Everything I’ve read is that cases don’t matter. It’s hospitalizations (flattening the curve) and deaths. And that the vaccine is preventing the overwhelming majority of those here. That it’s almost exclusively those not vaccinated who are being hospitalized and dying. Not that that means FedEx will mandate it. No one knows that.
08-28-2021, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
I’m not sure what you mean by 40% less effectiveness. Everything I’ve read is that cases don’t matter. It’s hospitalizations (flattening the curve) and deaths. And that the vaccine is preventing the overwhelming majority of those here. That it’s almost exclusively those not vaccinated who are being hospitalized and dying. Not that that means FedEx will mandate it. No one knows that.
08-28-2021, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by urinmyseat
Well, I'm not sure I understand a chart that shows negative numbers per 100,000. I understand no cases of kidney failure, but not -9, -5, -2, etc. Does the chart show spontaneous healing of those diseases after vaccination? As for it not being gene therapy. How does taking a vaccine that forces your cells to replicate a spike protein that does not occur naturally in the human body not qualify as gene therapy? It forces the cells to create a spike protein where the DNA has been fractured. This isn't a traditional vaccine that causes the body to develop antibodies because a weak or dead virus is introduced. That's why the vaccinated can pass on the virus after they get it. The vaccine does not help us to kill the virus, only possibly not suffer the symptoms as much, and even that is open to discussion.
Let's agree, I won't change your mind, and you won't change mine. Thank goodness we live in a country where we have the right to say, "My body, my choice."
Let's agree, I won't change your mind, and you won't change mine. Thank goodness we live in a country where we have the right to say, "My body, my choice."
I’m not trying to change your mind. Just trying to put data out there hat counters uncited questionable claims.
Last edited by BlueMoon; 08-28-2021 at 10:38 AM.
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