magic rat

Ramp workers would vanish.

Rock

Last two times I’ve been tested at the AOC, the nurses there said they are getting 3-4 pilots testing positive each day. Almost all are vaccinated. Israel just published an 800,000 person study saying vaccinated people are 13 times more likely to be infected with the delta variant of COVID than people with natural immunity, and 27 times more likely to have symptomatic infection than people with natural immunity. Requiring every Fedex employee to take a vaccine that is now showing less than 40% effectiveness against the latest COVID variants, and is already being recommended for boosters after 6 months is not a strategy for success at FedEx. Especially when so many employees already have the more effective natural immunity.
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PolicyWonk

Bravo Rock!

Delighted to agree with you. We haven't always.

max8222

Rock, So you are saying everyone should get Covid instead of the vaccine because they will have better immunity against reinfection?

Curious as to why the pilots are showing up to work Covid positive after having the vaccine? Maybe because the vaccine is doing it’s job and those that are vaccinated are not getting very sick and maybe not sick at all.

BlueMoon

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475

C17B74

Herd immunity or whatever they call it, basically the natural way historically is the best way for most anything and the data is coming out once again on this. Doesn’t really matter what is fact when subjected to other nations requirements in our line of work. It is what it is, it’s business. Either play along or quit, fully your choice whether or not to go along with this insanity. Held out as long as I could, but when France caved (nothing new) others will follow and the Australian debacle continues. Nothing about the shot, it was the “control” method that I did not agree with but that’s just me. Years from now we will have even more data to interpolate or perhaps another pandemic to deal with. At least this was really minor in scale regarding man made killers out there and what really is lethal to a mass extent not small percentages. Horrible yes, highly lethal no. Priorities will dictate your answer like most things, may you be able to drive on without issue.

Rock

No. Because that’s just as nonsensical as mandating that people with equal or superior immunity from recovering from COVID get a shot that does nothing for them.

The simple reality is that COVID is here forever and everyone is most likely going to get it. Since it has become obvious that the vaccine does not provide immunity, even vaccinated people will probably still get actual COVID at some point. Whether you are vaccinated or not, if you are infected with COVID, you are infected with COVID. If you are infected with COVID, you can spread COVID. Mandating everyone get a vaccine that can’t keep up with the pace of an evolving virus doesn’t change that. Remember when very highly vaccinated countries like Israel, Iceland and even the UK assumed they had “beaten” the virus because of their high vaccine rates? Turns out that was very wishful thinking. They are now trying to get everyone to take a third shot. Keep in mind, nobody was getting vaccines until about 6 months ago. And we’re already saying boosters are required?!? Some people argue we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Well we do know how long the vaccine immunity lasts, and it’s about 6 months. Meanwhile, that Israeli study of 800,000 people shows natural immunity protects better and longer. Hopefully they can someday develop a COVID vaccine that works as well as the human immune system. We aren’t there yet.

It is a simple and unarguable matter of fact that a vast majority of people who get COVID have either a mild or asymptomatic case. We’ve been dealing with it long enough to know who is more inclined to have a serious case. As far as I know, FedEx has only lost one crew member to COVID and that was early on. If I were fat, older than 60, or had one of the known comorbidities that increased my chances of having problems with COVID…AND…I hadn’t already had COVID, I would definitely get the shot. But I’m not fat, I’m not older than 60 and I have already had COVID. Explain to me why I should be required to get a vaccine when I already have natural immunity?

I was getting tested at the AOC when one of our pilots popped positive. They said “I can’t be positive. I’ve been vaccinated.” The nurses chuckled and tested the pilot again. They also asked if they had any symptoms. “Actually, yes. I started to have severe chest pain yesterday. I was directly exposed to someone else who tested positive four days ago. I thought I might have it but I didn’t think I could. But I figured I’d test anyway.” You say the vaccine is working? That was a vaccinated pilot with real symptoms. As they waited for their second test, they called the duty officer and listed all the other pilots they had flown with in the last four days. All of them were pulled off the schedule too. That same thing is happening 3-4 times a day in just the AOC according to the people who do the tests there. And almost all are vaccinated. At this point, what will FedEx accomplish by mandating all pilots get the vaccine?

Stan446

And the paranoia continues. So some day it will be 3 shots, then 4 then 5, Im thinking stool samples and lung biopsy's. We have a constitution and Bill of Rights that seem to govern our lives, where has that legislation gone.

pinseeker

Rock, the article you linked said nothing about studying 800,000 people. It also did not say that you were 27 times more likely to have symptoms.

The article did say that the data hadn't been reviewed by peers and that the data showed that if you had a previous illness, you were better protected if you got a booster vaccine.

"Giving a single shot of the vaccine to those who had been previously infected also appeared to boost their protection. The long-term benefit of a booster dose of the inoculation, which has just recently begun in Israel, is unknown."

"The data was posted as a preprint article on medRxiv, and hasn’t yet been reviewed by other researchers."

If natural immunity is the way to go, let's get rid of the MMR and polio vaccine as well. Most, if not all states, mandate those vaccines. So, vaccine mandates are nothing new. Just something else to have a political fight about.

urinmyseat

As airline pilots, all of us are at a greater risk of blood clots even before Covid-19 was..."Discovered." We fly at high altitudes with very arid conditions, while sitting for long periods. We meet all the conditions for increased risk of forming blood clots. It has been proven that the gene therapy they inaccurately call a vaccine does indeed have a common side effect of increased risk of blood clots. Seems like that should be a good enough reason for pilots to have a medical exemption. This was explained to me by my family doctor when I asked his advice on taking the experimental gene therapy. And yes folks, it is still experimental. The vaccine that was approved by the FDA is not being manufactured until all the experimental vaccines are used up. Millions of old doses before production will begin. That means, no lawsuits if this vaccine causes you loss of income, quality of life, or life itself.