Originally Posted by
Tpinks
So it’s ok for Allegiant to be the most profitable carrier at the expense of being the lowest paid A32x operator?
You are right, it was industry leading for all of 6 or so months until Delta leaped over, and then United, American, Spirit, Jetblue and Frontier… A true industry leading contract would have been one that would have remained relevant with everyone else’s contract.
Allegiant may be negotiating now, but so is every other operator except for Spirit and Frontier who still have 1 and 2 years respectively remaining on their CBA’s.
So if Allegiant pulls the trigger first and only just tops the current end of contract rates others have, when everyone else pulls the trigger immediately after, they are still back at the bottom.
Here’s the difference though, instead of wishing ill on those pilots like everyone is doing on breeze pilots, I hope they get a true industry leading contract just like I would hope they would hope for Breeze pilots.
Riiiight. Except we have only increased our A220 order and our delivery schedule is maxed out by the current A220 production line in the US. The only delay in A220 deliveries came when they delayed the launch of the airline and that was accomplished by swapping delivery slots with JetBlue.
The only new plane Allegiant has ever taken delivery of was the end of the line A320CEO’s… your expecting me to believe they are looking at brand new planes that would be a second fleet type at that airline that are still at the beginning of the their production cycle?
I am not sure where you get your information but most of what you post is false. First on Allegiant being the most profitable airline there is zero to support that. Allegiant does not report the airlines true profits of break them out from the parent companies results. No one knows what Allegiant makes. Estimates don’t have it nearly the most profitable on any basis.
As far as pilot pay Allegiant has not just lagged but severely lagged the industry. There is not a single year where they led the industry or even close. In many years the made half what the majors made and jet blue generally makes 50% more. You seem to not understand the value of soft money in a pilot contract. Your claims about leapfrogging everyone in 2016 are simply not true as Delta had already reached a tentative contract agreement months before Allegiant setting new highs for pilot pay and Allegiant did not come near those rates. In addition that TA at Delta was voted down and higher rates were quickly achieved.
The next area that’s critical in a contract is the benefit package. Allegiant’s is not just low it’s absurdly low. In 2019 the last year with full reporting it was 12,000 per pilot. The Majors including SWA and JetBlue were above 60,000 and that does not include profit sharing. Overall it appears Allegiant and Spirit have been racing each other to be dead last in total pilot compensation.
Here is a statement on where Allegiant actually makes its money.
The commissions that it earns is what makes Allegiant Air different from other airlines. They make profits from selling hotel rooms, rental cars, even Everglades boat tours and theme-park tickets. Not only that but they also get people to attend sales presentations for townhouses or condominiums.