Originally Posted by
Tjodalv43
Hello everyone,
I was wondering if anyone knows of someone with an Air Force Commander Directed Downgrade as it relates to getting an interview. I’ve applied to the last couple windows but haven’t heard anything. I’ve had several friends with about the same experience level (meeting or exceeding all the time requirements and preferences, Air Force safety experience, current check pilot, etc) who applied after me and aren’t available for hiring immediately (I’m available now) that have already received invites. The only difference is I have a CDD from 6 years ago so I had to check yes on that box.
I was hoping all the good “yes” questions would outweigh that one, but at this point I’m starting to get discouraged. I also have only applied to SWA as it’s my #1 preference but am looking at expanding out based on the above discussion and not hearing anything. Anyone know of someone hired with a Q3 or CDD and if they had a similar experience?
I believe there is a BIG difference between a Q3 and a Commander Directed Downgrade. As previously mentioned, the MAC/AMC world handed out Q3s rather easily; accomplish retraining, recheck, and go about your business without making that mistake again. I recall an examiner in prebrief telling three copilots they had already passed their check rides, as long as they didn’t ‘foul’ up the three-engine go-around (sim engine out). Two of us performed to standards, one didn’t. He was busted. Retrain, recheck, off you go.
A Commander Directed Downgrade is something else entirely. That is the Commander losing faith in your ability to command the aircraft/crew, or to accomplish the mission. That is not a simple retraining issue. I believe a CDD is a more serious issue, speaking to leadership and/or maturity.
Interview wise, is it overcome-able, probably so. But I wouldn’t think it would be as easy as explaining away a check ride Q3.
Full disclosure: I was hired, having received a Q3 and having issued a Q3.
As others have suggested, start applying everywhere. Get a job offer, THEN decide if you will take the job. Showing completion of more training programs (i.e. Part 121) would reflect well on an applicant with some history of Q3 or CDD.
IMHO