Virgin Atlantic is owned 49% by Singapore airlines and 51% by the virgin group. has 6 a340-300 and 13 747-400 hardly an impressive 7,000 pilot airline. they made a profit of 31 mill pounds lat year, cargolux made 64 mill with 14 747-400.

virgin atlantic is a small operation.

virgin blue is not controlled in any way shape or form by the virgin group, but by toll holdings which is Australia's largest transportation company including operations by sea, air and land. the virgin group help found the airline with Toll holdings but thy do not have a majority stake nor do they have any say on day to day operations. they have 52 737, again hardly a 7,000 pilot force

virgin express was a turd operation started in 1996 that nver had more than 10 737's which end up merging with SN Brusssel airlines in 07 because they could not make it.

V Australia is the virgin blue operation that will start flying long haul between the US and Australia , operation run by Toll holdings.

Virgin Nigeria has 9 aircraft and it is a deal by virgin group and nigerian investor with approval of the Nigerian government to replace the defunct air nigeria.

so, let's get one thing straight, Virgin group , regardless of publicity, has never been as successful in aviation as SWA, Ryanair or even JB , and it has never threatened BA the way they think they have.

but hey, one thing they all have in common, they do pay less than their competitors.