Originally Posted by
Bluedriver
I know I'm feeding the troll, but hopefully this will fill you up so you are no longer hungry.
As to "management loving and taking care of them", did F9 raise their first year pay outside section 6 out of "love and care"? Yes or no?
If a marriage between JB+NK happens, a joint CBA needs to be negotiated. If you want to know what JB management and JB pilots think about 1st year pay, look at JB's 1st year pay rate of ~$94 per hour, higher than Delta, United, AA and Southwest.
Hopefully that just about covers the fly-by's.
Yep. F9 raised the pay. Not to industry standard but some. which doesn’t change my position a Whit.
I’m not saying we don’t have leverage - we certainly do. But the idea that the union shouldn’t look after the new hires has always been anathema to me. The union has a moral and legal responsibility to look after ALL of the group covered by the contract. Plus, it’s the right thing to do for pilot unity - you know, what a UNION is all about? Nor am I picking on you, NK, or F9 SPECIFICALLY, I’ve picked on all of those plus UPS simply because their unions hung their first years out to dry. UPS still does:
Even though it is plainly obvious from the later payrates that in the long run everyone will get decent or better compensation.
And I have never adversely commented on the B6 first year pay, simply because it is industry standard. Hopefully after the JCBA it will REMAIN industry standard and the combined pilot group will continue to support new hires appropriately.
What I object to - and I understand others have other opinions - is the attitude you expressed that we mustn’t “waste” leverage on first year pilots.
I don’t see easing the transition of our junior brethren into the pilot group to be a waste and - yeah, am probably going to express my opinion whenever someone expresses the one you expressed. So if you don’t want to see a rebuttal it’s probably best not to bring it up.
You want to consider that your version of “not feeding the troll,” that’s fine.