Originally Posted by Excargodog

To begin with, you wandered blindly into an old argument. No one said that B6s first year pay was not industry standard, but NKs isn’t and never had been. Your first posting was nearly a word for word duplicate of what Mayo and a few others have used for years to justify a pi$$-poor industry low first year pay and an even more pathetic training pay that advocated holding newbies (and recruiting) hostage to extracting more pay for the non-newbies. And if you look at what the OUTCOME of that strategy has been at NK, it sure as H€|| has NOT been anything approaching industry standard. It doesn’t seem to have worked all that well at F9 either, although they at least had the option to raise first year pay and management brought it up to well, still industry lagging, but not industry lagging as much as NK.

In the meantime, in a company where (preCOVID) 15% of the people were newbies every year, they were being started out at a fraction of the pay they had when they left the regionals AND YEAH, WE COULD ALL DO THE MATH AND KNEW IT WOULD BE A BETTER DEAL IN THE LONG RUN, but most thought that wasn’t the way to treat our fellow pilots and that it undermined the unity a union should have.

So before you blunder into a furball on an issue where that has long been discussed, you might want to see the results of that attitude where you are discussing it, on anNK board. THIS is where that philosophy got us here:

Training Pay: $1750 per month
no insurance initially while training
First year pay currently up to $61 a month w 72 hr guarantee on reserve although preCOVID it was still in the $50s

total before taxes about $ 43,500 today.

So don’t blame the junior pilots here for believing that your philosophy of not “wasting” leverage on new pilots is as self evident to them as it seems to be to you, because their experience with the results of that philosophy is very different than yours. If you are too ignorant or arrogant to understand that, that’s on you, not on them.