Originally Posted by 2 BLUE
What difference does it make if we make a profit? What size profit? What is it going to take ...50% profit margin for 50 years? If you don't make the company budget for your salary then they will always spend it on something else - they have to! You are giving away your pay to fuel the 190 CASM increase.
Are you seriously still listening to the dumbing down of a pocket session? Mind numbing.
Blue
You are right on target! Management will never give us a pay raise on their own. Their "evaluation" of compensation will always fall short until they are forced to do so. If the company can forcast the increasing MX cost for the next ten years, they can also forecast a 3% pay raise per year for all of the employees. Financial advisors always say, pay yourself first! Well, if the go ahead and budget for the pay raise, it has a better chance of happening vs waiting for them to deem it time.
Again, blue, right on! The pocket sessions have become nothing but pep rallies. No real information is pass on any more. It is lots of fluf, followed by doom and gloom to keep us from demanding due compensation. Remember, it is bad for the pilots, but it is even worse for the FA, customer service, rampers, etc. That is who they are really talking to anymore.
Something to remember, JB, Airtran and SWA control the price in the market. If we raise prices, everyone will raise prices. You can bet that the other major airlines will not undercut our prices. They will be glad to match our increased prices. But these increased prices will allow us to make a lot more profit, while letting the other majors continue to loose money (while not quite as much). This will allow JB to fairly compensate us and plan for the pay raises. The idea of keeping market share and matching fairs has driven all of the majors into bankruptcy. We need to be leaders and set the flow and prices in the industy, and not followers of the "market share" gods.
IF mangement is using our cost to drive the majors down at the expense of employee pay, then they have no values and don't care about us.
Just my opinion....
FNG