Originally Posted by
AF2AL
Someone is definitely out of touch but it isn't me.
What exactly do you think that ALPA is going to do that isn't being done already? Do you think they're going to show up and automatically get us the new UPS rates?
Breeze has given raises at least every quarter if not more often. Work rules are improving all the time and leadership has shown that they're trying to communicate and work with the pilots in order to make it a place where people want to work.
I know that everyone with little experience thinks that ALPA is going to be some saving grace but that's not the way it works. The biggest factors when it comes to work rules and compensation, are the profitability of the company and the willingness of management to work with the pilots.
Take a look at all the companies represented by ALPA and you'll see everything from the best compensation/work rules (Delta, FedEx etc.) all the way down to the bottom of the barrel places to work (Swift, Mesa, Commutair, Western Global, etc.) and everything in between. If ALPA is the determining factor, why aren't Spirit and Frontier pilots making the same as Delta? Why has Mesa been a terrible place to work when they've had ALPA since the late 1980's?
If management was unwilling to work with us and playing hardball, that would be completely different. Then I'd agree that a union is neccessary, but that's not even close to the way things are.
breeze has not given raises every quarter, they haven’t changed the pay scale since December 5th, 2021 except for increasing first year pay for FO’s after IGNORING the BPC telling them that $60/hr wasn’t going to make any change in hiring volume.
work rules also aren’t improving all the time either. The whole reassignment footprint improvement… that was agreed to back in March of 2022. The company sat on it for over 3 months until they finally screwed up the schedules enough in June that everyone was complaining and David made it a priority during his anti-union calls.
The company was presented 13 different items in January 2022 via a virtual meeting. They chose to enact one item from that meeting which was Min day. Min day was supposed to fix the issue for Charter pay but instead of giving us anything close to industry average they gave us 4hrs. Oh and our average daily credit for the trips we have been flying since launch has been between 6-6.5hrs. So our min-day was never meant to actually be a give to the pilots from the get go.
The pilot group was surveyed by the BPC and they said they wanted 85-90 hour lines to do the charter side… So what did they have to do? Increase the Charter MMG to 75hrs. And they thought with 75hrs, everyone would be fighting to get on the charter program and yet here we are with the charter fleet half staffed all with the most junior CAs and FOs flying into random places they have never been before.
it’s funny how your trying to compare an Alpa regional to an ALPA mainline when one carrier operates on a capped income basis while the other can make an infinite amount of money.
Profitability of the company is important, but the company won’t ever become profitable if they don’t actually spend the money they need to on their pilots to make them 1) come here to begin with and 2) make them stay for more than a few months before bouncing to UA/AA/DL.