For the no votes, what do you envision?

Unanimously voted TA means first you’d have to vote out the MEC and NC. Then you’d have to get new people in those roles. Who? What we have are the best and I can’t imagine anyone else stepping up that’s gonna somehow be even better (and I certainly don’t want an Alyeska or APC hothead in the NC or MEC). I can’t think of a single name I’d like to see better on the NC.


And then what direction do you envision them taking? I don’t know how many no votes we have. But say 51% vote no. That’s something like 1,300 voices that are not happy. What do these 1,300 want and expect for the next time around? Rsv 13 days off? Hourly rate 306 to 320? Full retro? What if you get none? Or just 1? Or 2? Where is your line drawn for how good this TA gets improved that you vote yes?


The ALPA EFA team worked with our NC team and they fully painted a picture of the economic and financial picture - it’s their job!


I have yet to hear a good reason why a no voter thinks 6 months from now makes for a good negotiating environment. Yeah Delta voted their TA1 down in 2015 and got a new one a short while later. But 2015 and 2016 were great years for the economy (minus the one dip in the DOW and S&P). We are nowhere near that sort of economy. This administration and Powell have made it CLEAR they will raise interest rates and control crash this economy to a landing (they aren’t even saying soft landing any more). Another raise in November. Another in Q1. And then hold that level (maybe even more raises) until inflation decreases and demand dampens, and *hope* that supply chains open up (like China not doing zero Covid policy, Ukraine v Russia gets better, etc). We are literally headed off the cliff in terms of a good environment to negotiate. I genuinely ask what sort of leverage do you see to get whatever it is that would get you to vote yes to this in a TA#2. I think we can all agree no scenario makes 3300 pilots happy. I question what is enough to make the no pilots happy in round 2 during the worst economy to negotiate in.

prdu you’ll call me defeatist, I call it realist after looking at the economic conditions we face and considering that the EFA vetted our current deal.