Originally Posted by TruNorth

Was a UNA. Deeply thankful to the pilot group for 20-04. Very grateful that things worked out the way they did.

There were still hours long walks I took to manage stress and figure out if unemployment would let me keep my mortgage or not. Working out how much of my 401k I'd have to liquidate if decent employment didn't come along during a furlough. Still had it far better than those who had to carry that stress *and* go through with it and I'll never forget that.

Solidly in favor of retro that includes retirees. As a poster above said, I'd gladly trade a smaller retro check to make sure it includes everyone who worked during the retro period. I've said as much to my reps and it'll be a major factor in my eventual boat.

Sticking together is the only way we can resist further degradation of our career and have a fighting chance of improving it.

Originally Posted by Wolf424

If it was such a good deal, would you have traded places with them at the time? Or are you looking at it retrospectively?

The only reason we didn’t furlough was the gov cheese. Most UNAs didn’t benefit from anything in 20-04 when it was all said and done (furlough protection provisions at least). Having said that, 95% of UNAs don’t have that mentality.

Makes we wonder what the mentality of the ~26% who voted against 20-04 was…

Originally Posted by CX500T

As a UNA who went "7ERB Awarded 73NA " to "AE Cancelled" to UNA then went out on Mil Leave and came back technically to 7ERB then 320A, I am very appreciative for the 20-04 letter.
I am also VERY ****ed at the company for invoking max pain on the pilot group with the "What's a SIL" to MOAD before VEOP to my framed furlough letter.
If furloughs were gonna happen, they were gonna happen.. I figured that I was in one (if not the) highest paying seats (7ER) that any UNAs were holding and what they saved by throwing me UNA was the maximum amount they could have save (ER vs 717 pay rates) and that frankly didn't make sense but they did it to try to intimidate the pilot group. I know myself and a lot of UNAs were "full pay (rates) to the last day" in case they tried to jam some concessionary rates down our (all of us) throats to "save" the bottom from furlough.

Retro needs to be paid to those that have flown since the contract became amenable. 1 day or your retired the day before our new contract goes into effect. Anywhere in the middle.

To put it bluntly, full retro or GTFO. For all who flew, and if they have flown west for the final time, their heirs.

I do know the longer this drags the more the company is going to want to backload the retro (say 2/2/2/18) or something silly, or dangle a big honkin signing bonus. But no. Retro needs to hurt them for dragging this out. Considering we should have had a new contract in hand long before COVID or crazy inflation hit.

Retro for all who have flown under the expired contract. It is what is right.