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Old 11-13-2022 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Even without adding in state income tax, you're looking at a 40% haircut for DPSP cash. To just get BACK to zero, it takes a 67% return. Average S&P returns over the past 20 years is about 8.5%, slightly higher over 40 years (not inflation adjusted). Let's be wild and assume the S&P returns 10% a year, which, honestly, will be on the high side. To recover the money you lost day 1, to get the 67% return, you would need 6 years just to get back to zero. And that's completely ignoring 1) The returns you have have gotten on the full amount and 2) Any capital gains you would have suffered on your S&P strategy.

And this isn't a day one math exercise. Every single year you're taking a 40% loss on your DPSP cash, which means that recovery is always rolling out 6 years in front of you. Time it wrong, and it could be much longer. And if you are in a high tax state, it's even worse. Yes, it's a conservative investment, but I assume everyone has those to at least a small degree, and it would allow you to shift whatever percentage that's there to a more aggressive plan. PLUS it would be in place if there are any future, unforeseen tax increases.
This is the same simplistic, incorrect analysis done initially by the R&I committee.

When you eventually take a withdrawal from the MBCBP, it will be subject to income tax at your marginal rate. So no, it’s not an automatic 40% loss on dpsp cash. If your marginal rate in retirement is 40% then it’s a wash. Yes there are other items to consider in the equation, but you are absolutely not taking a 40% loss with dpsp cash.
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