Originally Posted by Excargodog

You need to get a clue. Never have I suggested that ONLY first year pilots need to get a raise.

But I’ll ask you the same questions I’ve fruitlessly asked others, since they seem ashamed to answer:



Because if you truly believe that it’s all that’s bringing management to the table, why wouldn’t you keep screwing over the newbies. I mean according to the DOL unions are supposed to bargain for everyone covered by the CBA, even newbies. You going to leave them without insurance in the next contract too?


And clearly, other companies with high attrition have come to the table (Alaska for instance) without their pilot groups having to screw their first year guys. So give me an idea - days, weeks, months, or years - that this would have to not work before you would ever admit it’s not going to work.

And I have a clue about how to treat people decently. I would have never agreed with a policy of holding our new hires hostage to ostensibly gain leverage over management, even if I believed it did work or was working. It’s something dishonorable. Too much like what a terrorist would think would be OK.

And the reason I think nobody has yet answered those two questions is because when they start to they feel it is dishonorable and don’t want to admit it even to themselves.