Originally Posted by
captnate702
Gotcha. I thought you had heard something from AR or maybe i missed something and that AR was going to stop negotiating which is the equivalent to "take his ball and go home" and the NMB would probably not like that either. If AR is only going to negotiate with NMB present then that seems like the professional, savvy play.
Biggest thing missing from the mailer imo is no guarantee that day trips will continue and LTD.
I don't think the rates are miles apart - if anything the rates are the closest thing in the mailer to "industry standard". The DC is 13/14/15, that is not miles apart - it doesn't hurt anyone to admit that not everything is "planets apart". Let's all be grown ups, its okay to acknowledge that the last two years weren't a total waste.
Spirit is about to agree to rates lower than what is being offered in the mailer and in front of the NMB what Spirit and Suncountry do is gonna matter a whole lot more than what Delta and JetBlue do - its possible the mediator we get hasn't even heard of allegiant. my concern with going to the NMB is that they will lump us in with Suncountry, NK, F9, Avelo and Breeze as opposed to B6, Alaska and the big 4. having talked a lot to people at the table from the initial contract negotiations, NMB never took it seriously when we compared ourselves to legacy carriers - especially because it was our first contract. maybe it will be different this time around, but those guys had a rough time getting anything close to the legacies and we all know that is what we mean when we say "industry standard".
your mental. Spirits not going to say yes to the rates when jetblue just got better rates. Then when they merge they will have jet blue rates Anyways. If you can’t see the shenanigans the company is playing by reading between the line and by not showing specific verbiage then you haven’t been in this industry long enough. For example the crappy deadhead pay only matters after more than 1 hour. As others have said no long term disability with pilot medial protection, no min day, no snap up clause, no corrections on a bidding system that was supposed to be done years ago, 15 minutes extra call out for reserve when everywhere else is 2 hours or more, and many more sewage verbiage that the company will change their mind and interpret in their own way. The company is on a life raft with a carrot on a stick to keep you on the sinking boat.
Didn’t allegiant have better pay rates than delta in the first contract? How’s that not comparable.