Originally Posted by
Deserthusker
If you asked the guys that were renting cars and driving to those bases I think you would hear that they got real tired of that real quick. Driving home from those places late at night after long duty days didn’t sit well with the flex guys I talked to. Sure the company would get them a hotel but then they were driving home on their day off. Also ask the guys what they had to give up to pay for project lift? Bonuses maybe. I have yet to talk to anyone who got paid to sit at home for 10-12 days through Covid, maybe at the beginning.
How many companies FURLOUGHED pilots during COVID? How many companies shut down due to COVID? Really, guys who had jobs they were getting paid to do were upset they had to work hard and keep their jobs by flying around as passengers in company jets?? Sounds like guys who would prefer a union where the senior guys vote to furlough the less senior guys. Doesnt sound like a bad deal to me, at least they had jobs, how many pilots do you know during covid that lost theirs? It was an absolute policy that if you did not want to work during covid, the company would pay you 10 (or 12, forget the number) days to stay home and not work. Just becasue you havent spoken to anyone, doesnt mean it didnt happen. Show me somone who says it was not offered to them and you can have an arguement.
"If you really believe that Netjets pay is 20% below flexjet why would people leave flexjet to come to Netjets but not the reverse?"
So what you are saying is the guys driving their trailers around the FBO saying "Lowest paid in the industry, Longest Duty times" "Overworked and Underpaid", are lying? They are your Union brothers and I dont think they would appreciate you calling them liars!
Here is a picture if you thinkn I am lying
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...gotiations-pay
"The “REQUIRED” retirement contribution you talk about is a union bargained benefit. Something I hear flex pilots have been trying to get. How is that going?"
Flex pays a 6% bonus that the employee has a CHOICE of either taking in cash OR adding to their 401k on top of other bonuses, none of which are "REQUIRED" to go into the 401K....If it was truley a "union negotiated benefit" why wouldnt the Union allow you to take it as a cash bonus? Wouldnt it be a better "negotiation" if the employee had a choice of were it goes?
"As far as the $100k first year pay at flex I think you will be hard pressed to find a first year guy at Netjets that made less than $100k. The problem is we have so many ways to make soft money that are not guaranteed. The difference between fleets fdp is something we are hoping to rectify."
I was quoting BASE pay, you know the pay you make EVEN if you dont fly (where you make $83,000?) First officers in their first year are EASILY pulling down $130-150k at FLEX whether they are on a broken airplane or not.
What does NJ pay their guys during training? Is it 16 days at $513/day per month like Flex?
"Not sure I ever said Netjets is categorically better. Just trying to make sure accurate info is put out."
If that is the case, then PLEASE be accurate. NJ pilots are the ones saying LOWEST pay in the industry. Find me a SINGLE FLEX pilot that says they are the lowest paid in the industry? Wont happen! But let that union keep working hard for you (by the way, how much do you have to pay in Union dues to be the LOWEST paid in the industry?)