Originally Posted by
Nightflyer
I voted no several times. I think, but don't remember, I might have voted yes in 2006, and I know I voted yes in 2012. It would have been stupid to vote no in 2012. It was vote yes and get 3% or vote no and get nothing. It was a stupid vote but you had not choice. I know for sure I voted no in 2011 and 2015. I also voted no on the first contract, which was defeated.
It would not have been stupid to vote no in 2012. It's almost never stupid to vote no, even if it's actually a good deal. It would have gone back to NC and a better deal would have been negotiated.
Look at UPS, they got told it would be stupid to vote no in 2022 and it just bit them in the ass, HARD.
I don't see "my own delusion" because I voted no several times, but not always.
The MEC and the NC committee are responsible for what was in the TA's. I only got to say yes or no, and I voted no plenty of times.
You're all over the place. First you were a yes voter in 2006 and 2011/12. Now you voted no several times... which one was it?
Even if retirement is fixed, but the pay rates are insulting, I will not hesitate to vote no again!
And what if they give away some of our good-deal work rules, will you join us in solidarity and vote no?
Why don't you want to see the retirement fixed, if not to spite the old guys?
I've said it several times, I do want it to be fixed, and I do want it to be retro. I'm just not willing to accept awful deals like 2006/2011/2015 to fix it.
Why does this have to be young vs. old?
Because you have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to new guys and you started going at their throats.
Originally Posted by
Nightflyer
No, I didn't fly an RJ, but I protected your freedom, and several of my friends ended up dead doing so. Did you ever put your life on the line for your country? Probably not.
And you got paid well for it, with good benefits, many of which you probably still enjoy to this day. Also you protected American foreign interests, not freedom. We haven't fought a war to protect our freedom in any of our lifetimes. We don't even defend our borders FFS.
As I have stated several times. No concessions, and if there are concessions, I will vote no.
Thank you, I'm glad we have that common ground.
I will also vote no if we don't get pay rates at least equal to or better than Delta.
Equal is not enough. DL + a nickel is not enough. See AG's post over on JF for reasons why.
How many times do I have to say this?
It's really a matter of you just need to stop with the "I paid my dues" and the "the junior guys are trying to screw me" nonsense and everyone will leave you alone