Originally Posted by
UnusualAttitude
Returning to the topic of this thread, Delta pay rates. Beware the danger of the well known fallacy, the False Dilemma.
"A false dilemma (sometimes also referred to as a false dichotomy) is a logical fallacy, which occurs when a limited number of options are incorrectly presented as being mutually exclusive to one another or as being the only options that exist, in a situation where that isn’t the case. For example, a false dilemma occurs in a situation where someone says that we must choose between options A or B, without mentioning that option C also exists."
"False dilemmas often play a role in people’s internal reasoning process, when they misunderstand or misinterpret situations. Furthermore, false dilemmas are also frequently used intentionally for rhetorical purposes in various ways, such as to oversimplify complex situations by turning theminto misleading dichotomies, or to frame issues in a way that pressures people to accept a certain stance."
If you read JetFlyers you will see that the regular suspects have come out of the woodwork after a long hiatus. You will easily recognize them because they are back to their old tricks. "If you want Delta pay rates then you must accept Delta's contract in its entirety." "You want Delta's compensation, then we have to accept PBS and give up our vacation." "I was on a Delta flight and the A330 FO says he wishes he was at FedEx so our contract is better and don't bother reading theirs." "What are you willing to give up to secure Scope." These couple of guys have never seen a concession they didn't like as long as their corners of the contract are protected. Do not fall for this false dilemma and don't let your reps tell you that there are only two simple paths. Negotiations are nuanced and reasonable solutions exist.
I suggest these type of alternative arguments: We already have a sizable portion of our pilot group that receives their monthly assignments via PBS. PBS isn't the issue, the language surrounding conflicts is where the flexibility in our vacation exists. This is an oversimplification and I am not in favor of PBS but the fact that it wasn't even presented by the Company tells you that they've gotten all of the efficiency they need.
False Dilemmas and False Dichotomies: What They Are and How to Respond to Them
Those guys on Jetflyers are so embarrassing. The guy saying "I've flown with hundreds of pilots that came from Delta, United, American over the years and not a single one regrets it". Ya, sure buddy. I've. flown with 2 this week so far that regret it. The dinosaurs that think FedEx is the greatest thing since sliced bread and the only show in town are so far out of touch with reality.
And to the point that if we're going to get Delta's rates, we need to take their whole contract? Our openers literally say "to establish industry leading hourly rates of pay". Stop negotiating on the company's behalf you dolts.