Originally Posted by
Chowdah
All negotiating with a pilot group/flying as diverse as ours is a matter of opportunity cost… I think with your attitude, you will always see someone who has gained more from a new CBA than you have. So I’d be careful with that mindset, otherwise we’ll all be voting NO, regardless of how good the agreement would be for us as a whole.
actually, I have no objections voting Yes for a contract that gives gains to people other than me.. Would I vote Yes for a UPA that gives Profit Sharing to 1st year pilots? Sure.. as long as it also gives PS to those who just retired. Neither one would benefit me.
But it’s the right thing.
Originally Posted by
Chowdah
The question is what is the threshold for the lowest increase in pay that is acceptable? If we all get a minimum 20% raise on DoS, but with changes in pay banding to the 767-300, or a captain override, some people get 30% raises… Is that an automatic NO? Do we need an exact equal outcome for all groups for a person to feel like things were negotiated correctly?
As much as all this sounds like hypotheticals, this will be our reality/choice here soon.
Of course that’s not an automatic No. but would 15% given to the the group but an extra 5% given to NB Capts (to solve a company created problem) be an automatic Yes? Not in my book.
Delta just came out and made changes that adjusted paybands. And by doing so, they may have only benefited a certain amount of pilots (for) now.. but has the potential to benefit almost all pilots later.
To me, that is NOT robbing Peter to pay Paul.
but your view my vary!
I agree, I expect we will see a TA in a month that will require us all to view the Pro’s & Con’s. Hopefully our Union puts out a new ALPA PILOT COMPARISON booklet soon. (I brought that up at the last Union meeting directly to our MEC Chair).
Ya need good info to determine where we sit with regards to our peers.
Our CEO (and others in management) have repeatedly stated that
“We’re going to be the Premier Airline” in the US and the world… ok, prove it!
Motch
PS) we don’t do a good enough job talking history-
at CAL, the 762 paid the same as the 764. We had
Small Narrow body,
Large Narrow body and
Wide body paybands.
Due to the merger contract, we put the 763 and 762 together but off the Wide body paybands. We were told the aircraft “were leaving and don’t want to waste negotiating capital on them”.
The 762’s we’re sold shortly thereafter..
The 763’s..,
ARE STILL HERE!
And, will be for the next 5ish+ years.. they are paid for and are a money maker.
So,yes.. if it pays more and that is viewed by some as unfair. Oh well.
Good discussion though~