View Single Post
Old 03-29-2023 | 10:21 AM
  #6  
codydenver
On Reserve
 
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
From: King Air 350 Captain
Default

Originally Posted by JohnBurke
"Separated from training" would appear to be a euphemism for terminated. The original poster indicates that he was removed from his training due to a failure, sent home, and not brought back, with his employment discontinued. That's terminated. Fired. Let go.

I do not know the original poster, so cannot make a judgement regarding his or her fitness to fly or perform on the job. With that in mind, there are four relevant issues that I see here. Two regard the poster, and two regard the process for getting back on the horse, if that's possible or advisable. I make no comment regarding possibility, or advisability.

the first observation is that the original poster does not either realize or accept that (s)he was fired. There's no going forward until this is realized. One can't get back on the highway until one realizes that one's gone off the road. Do that first.

Second, there does not appear to be an understanding or acceptance that the termination was appropriate. Clearly the former employer felt so, and clearly didn't feel that the decision was warranted. One cannot go to another company, having been fired, and attempt to argue that it was unjust, that one is right, while the former employer, training review board, instructors, check airman, and possibly union, are all wrong. That wasn't said here, but its implied, if one doesn't accept the past, own it, and use it to determine what needs to be corrected. If the original poster is to move on, then (s)he must be able to show that the event is fully understood, and must show the maturity to not only accept it, but to have made clear, obvious strides to get past it by correcting and improving upon the reasons that the termination occurred. Without that, the road is closed.

That said, PRIA is ending with the Pilot Records Database now underway. PRIA involved a short lookback period of several years, and one could techanically get beyond that and the past would become murky. Under the PRD, one's flying record becomes a lifetime column of stick notes and reports; any failures or black marks never go away. That said, under the PRD, one also has the option of submitting one's own comments, which might be a rebuttal or an explanation, or whatever it is that one feels should be appended. Those also become part of the permanent record. With this in mind, one must be very careful of what's in the PRD, and also what one submits, for reasons identified above. The PRD is not a function of likes, social media posts, and winning people to one's side. It's a compilation of one's historical documents, and it's from those documents that one is judged. If one hasn't accepted the past and moved on by fixing what one did wrong, seeking more training, putting a solid work history between one and the failures, then commenting otherwise may only serve to paint a bad picture, or worse.

There are certainly cases with some employers that involve internal politics, bad chemistry, corruption, bad actors, etc, in which one could be terminated inappropriately. I've seen it first hand from employers who dealt unfairly with someone, to shots across the bow in union busting exercises, in which good pilots went down in flames when someone in management tried flexing their muscles to intimidate the work group. Certainly one shouldn't simply accept these events and move on; they do deserve a rebuttal and they do deserve comment. Again, one must be very careful about what one says or does.

This brings me to my fourth observation, which is that there are a number of well-qualified and experienced interview-prep coaches out there who specialize in helping people prepare for interviews and applications; this isn't just polishing delivery in a face to face interview, but reviewing one's records and counseling on how best to approach and handle one's past. Presentation is important, and how you present, own, and address your past is a personal picture one paints to any employer or any listener. Get good counseling on how best to go about that, before proceeding. The cost of the counselor is a very small investment in your future. I strongly suggest that you make that investment.
Extremely well written.

Yes, it is a very hard pill to swallow. I feel that I have taken it seriously and learned a LOT from the experience. I was able to immediately go back to a previous employer, then continue on to a second small 135. So, I am currently working.

I will have to reflect on my portrayal of how I feel about the whole thing, but what I am concerned about is strictly the "poor conduct". Poor performance is obvious, I failed and was given the boot. But no mention of "poor performance' anywhere in my history or mentioned anywhere by anyone is very concerning to me.

I have spent upwards of 4-5k dollars on interview prep for 121 interviews, but because I was not aware of the "poor conduct" portion of this, it is a surprise.

I very much appreciate your post!
Reply