Originally Posted by
CQKSNT
^^^^This. I lose a few more give-a-sh!t$ every time I read a NC update reporting little to no meaningful progress. Especially when I find out SK is trying to screw us over on the COVID 5%. If he proceeds to administer what he is positioning to do, it will take many many years of overpaying to get back the goodwill lost. And I’m not alone in this sentiment.
Here's the thing about nickel and diming pilots on something that is earned or even if Management only think it's a "perceived" earning of 5% over DL...
1) DL will have to match, and probably AA for that matter.
2) Pilots will get that 5% back with interest. They just do. It comes out of overs, walking to a new hotel, not "extending", not taking a middle seat, not coming in on reserve until the last minute, etc.
Better just pay for something most of your competition is going to match anyway.
I expect we'll sit with rates 5% better than DL (Then DL will add 1% to those, and AA will too if they sign something before us)
Fixing all those work rules is a lot harder. I suspect the final offer will be 5% greater than DL on rates, but much < than DL on work rule improvements, but those are a lot harder to calculate $$ figures.
However, both the Union and the company will tout "$8.5 billion in improvements over 4 years".
Do you really think DLs is worth $7 Billion? I don't. Is it a good contract? Yes, and eons above our TUMI, but my guess is the real number is significantly less. They tend to tout what added costs are added, but never subtract whatever "efficiencies" they extract from the contract.
Do you really think the TUMI TA was $3 Billion in improvements over 2 years? I think it was maybe $500-1Billion in improvements in 2 years[total WAG]... those numbers they make up are totally imaginary...