Originally Posted by
hummingbear
Semantics, indeed. I’d say “setting the lower limit” is a very generous way of framing our colosal failure, but your timeline is off. Remember, Delta already had their TA by the time we actually got around to voting on ours. Our no vote was nothing more than us cleaning up our own mess, & absolutely no one “spring-boarded” off of us.
No I think my timing is pretty accurate.. The unmitigated disaster was the first rim shot which was almost 1 year ago in Jun 2022 if I'm not mistaken. It was such a colossal failure they held the vote in abeyance until almost 6 months later. That set the bar for what was unacceptable on the lower end with the sky being the limit on the top end. UAL was essentially leading the charge in pattern bargaining(not an enviable position usually). I see it as pattern bargaining off the initial spring board that UAL set. Numerous carriers easily inked deals better than our first turd sandwich. UAL is basically mimicking what Delta went through in 2015 which was TA turn down, recalls, new plan of attack(took a year)
Nonetheless, my real point was, there is nothing wrong with phone polling. Their lack of even including 4000 pilots and their thoughts was a template for automatic failure when bringing forth such a weak initial TA(as we lead the pack)