Originally Posted by
Margaritaville
Dude, seriously?
You just worry about things over there from your high and mighty widget perch and quit lecturing everyone else. You're still a baby widget and you've already embraced their terrible "we're better than you" culture. Then you guys wonder why the whole industry makes fun of you.
Congrats on the great contract. Sorry we didn't do our part whatever that means. Fortunately for you you'll never have to work here so maybe just go about your day instead of lecturing us.
Mighty big of you to criticize him when you’re new to AA after unironically trying to life it out at Allegiant. Sorry you got COMAIRed and could never get over it.
Originally Posted by
CRJCapitan
I'm not really sure what you expected. The pay rates in the new Delta contract are astronomically high, historically speaking. Much of that was possible in the first place because of the fact Bastian went on national tv and said Delta pilots couldn't strike. No other airline has had such a misstep from management that they could then use as leverage. I'd say it's unrealistic to expect anyone to really do much better than those rates at this point in time.
Also, AA currently has the greatest percentage of NB aircraft in its fleet among the big three. Thus, it is reasonable, and actually a wise decision, to place a greater focus on NB rates and overrides for international flying done by narrow bodies. This ensures the best financial outcome for pilots at American. It is not APA's responsibility to spend negotiating capital on something that would be of greater benefit to Delta pilots than American pilots. I'm also willing to bet that if it weren't for the snap-up clause, you wouldn't even care and would probably even be happy about it.
American's AIP effectively matches Delta rates and improves quality of life. It doesn't seem to be close to a perfect agreement but, given the value of the AIP exceeds the Delta contract by almost $1 billion, I don't think there is a whole lot more one could ask for.
Pattern bargaining is about more than snap ups. Who knows who will go first or highest next contract cycle but beating our rates just helps United and sets the bar higher for all of us next time. There’s always the chest thumping component of who’s $1 higher but when you get down to brass tacks beating our rates across the board would help push the industry along. It certainly isn’t your obligation though.