Originally Posted by ChatMEC

has anyone analyzed the ratio of Former ALPA to Never Been ALPA?

That ratio will strongly decide when (not if) the change takes place.

The wisdom of making the change is obvious.

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Originally Posted by CRJCapitan

Also, AA currently has the greatest percentage of NB aircraft in its fleet among the big three. Thus, it is reasonable, and actually a wise decision, to place a greater focus on NB rates and overrides for international flying done by narrow bodies. .

Originally Posted by GhettoJet

As of today, the majority of the pilot group would vote ALPA in. The nature of bureaucracies being what they are, APA is never going to voluntarily surrender its turf. It's going to take an election to throw them out.

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

Dude, seriously?

You just worry about things over there from your high and mighty widget perch and quit lecturing everyone else. You're still a baby widget and you've already embraced their terrible "we're better than you" culture. Then you guys wonder why the whole industry makes fun of you.

Congrats on the great contract. Sorry we didn't do our part whatever that means. Fortunately for you you'll never have to work here so maybe just go about your day instead of lecturing us.

Originally Posted by CRJCapitan

I'm not really sure what you expected. The pay rates in the new Delta contract are astronomically high, historically speaking. Much of that was possible in the first place because of the fact Bastian went on national tv and said Delta pilots couldn't strike. No other airline has had such a misstep from management that they could then use as leverage. I'd say it's unrealistic to expect anyone to really do much better than those rates at this point in time.

Also, AA currently has the greatest percentage of NB aircraft in its fleet among the big three. Thus, it is reasonable, and actually a wise decision, to place a greater focus on NB rates and overrides for international flying done by narrow bodies. This ensures the best financial outcome for pilots at American. It is not APA's responsibility to spend negotiating capital on something that would be of greater benefit to Delta pilots than American pilots. I'm also willing to bet that if it weren't for the snap-up clause, you wouldn't even care and would probably even be happy about it.

American's AIP effectively matches Delta rates and improves quality of life. It doesn't seem to be close to a perfect agreement but, given the value of the AIP exceeds the Delta contract by almost $1 billion, I don't think there is a whole lot more one could ask for.

Originally Posted by CRJCapitan

I'm not really sure what you expected. The pay rates in the new Delta contract are astronomically high, historically speaking. Much of that was possible in the first place because of the fact Bastian went on national tv and said Delta pilots couldn't strike. No other airline has had such a misstep from management that they could then use as leverage. I'd say it's unrealistic to expect anyone to really do much better than those rates at this point in time.

Also, AA currently has the greatest percentage of NB aircraft in its fleet among the big three. Thus, it is reasonable, and actually a wise decision, to place a greater focus on NB rates and overrides for international flying done by narrow bodies. This ensures the best financial outcome for pilots at American. It is not APA's responsibility to spend negotiating capital on something that would be of greater benefit to Delta pilots than American pilots. I'm also willing to bet that if it weren't for the snap-up clause, you wouldn't even care and would probably even be happy about it.

American's AIP effectively matches Delta rates and improves quality of life. It doesn't seem to be close to a perfect agreement but, given the value of the AIP exceeds the Delta contract by almost $1 billion, I don't think there is a whole lot more one could ask for.

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

Additionally, because many don't understand this, the 1B more in contract doesn't necessarily mean you wound up with a better(more costly) contact compared to Delta. The contract costs are INCREMENTAL cost increases. Just snapping up to Delta's profit sharing has a big incremental cost associated with it. With 16,000 AA pilots and Delta's PS revenues and plan, that incremental 4 year cost could approach 2 Billion $$$ I'll let each pilot napkin math what they think that cost would be just to equal Delta's profit sharing. In boom times I've seen/heard of a 1 year profit sharing check in excess of $70,000 then DAL gets defined contribution(DC) on top 16-18%(this was the old pay scales). I've also seen PS of $0. My take is that PS match to DAL has a huge potential up side with very little downside for a 35 year career.

Originally Posted by ACEssXfer

We don't have DAL PS with the new AIP. We have the same formula with a much larger denominator. Pilots will not see checks nearly as high as DAL.

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

Sorry, my bad. As an outsider, I had heard Delta's PS formula and took it literally.