APA Protocol Agreement proposal
06-18-2014, 08:54 PM
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APA Protocol Agreement proposal
It seems the APA has responded to USAPA...
https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/...-Protocol.aspx
SENIORITY INTEGRATION PROTOCOL: APA proposed a seniority integration protocol agreement today to the US Airline Pilots Association that incorporates USAPA's suggestions and addresses concerns their leadership has expressed. As you will see, the four-party protocol will include American Airlines and US Airways management as signatories. We'll update you once USAPA has responded to our proposal.
https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/...-Protocol.aspx
SENIORITY INTEGRATION PROTOCOL: APA proposed a seniority integration protocol agreement today to the US Airline Pilots Association that incorporates USAPA's suggestions and addresses concerns their leadership has expressed. As you will see, the four-party protocol will include American Airlines and US Airways management as signatories. We'll update you once USAPA has responded to our proposal.
06-18-2014, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by algflyr
It seems the APA has responded to USAPA...
https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/...-Protocol.aspx
SENIORITY INTEGRATION PROTOCOL: APA proposed a seniority integration protocol agreement today to the US Airline Pilots Association that incorporates USAPA's suggestions and addresses concerns their leadership has expressed. As you will see, the four-party protocol will include American Airlines and US Airways management as signatories. We'll update you once USAPA has responded to our proposal.
https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/...-Protocol.aspx
SENIORITY INTEGRATION PROTOCOL: APA proposed a seniority integration protocol agreement today to the US Airline Pilots Association that incorporates USAPA's suggestions and addresses concerns their leadership has expressed. As you will see, the four-party protocol will include American Airlines and US Airways management as signatories. We'll update you once USAPA has responded to our proposal.
The West had a chance to negotiate at Wye River, at the 9th, at Judge Silver's DJ, and at the DFR trial on the merits. Every time they stuck with "Nic or Nothing" and got worse than nothing. They can call Garry and tell him they want to make a deal, or they can double down and get nothing, again.
06-19-2014, 04:12 AM
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Interestingly it seems as though APA is agreeing to have USAPA merger committee autonomous even after single carrier determination. The kicking point is paragraph 3.
Believe this is APA way of saying, ok if the west thinks it deserves it's own MC, then let's let it goto arbitration and let him decide. Sticking point I see is that there is a federal court ruling already answering that question.....So why let an arbitrator change that? Seems more along the lines of CYA by APA
Believe this is APA way of saying, ok if the west thinks it deserves it's own MC, then let's let it goto arbitration and let him decide. Sticking point I see is that there is a federal court ruling already answering that question.....So why let an arbitrator change that? Seems more along the lines of CYA by APA
06-19-2014, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by FreighterGuyNow
We've won every single one.
06-19-2014, 06:37 AM
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The USAPA has been pushing for DOH. They have "won" every case on their road to DOH. However, that road has now stretched to a decade and DOH is not yet in effect. The west has "lost" every case, but has successfully prevented DOH.
It now appears the west may get a separate seat at the table during this protocol with east permission. That's a big change from the days when USAPA was the sole agent.
At some point folks have to move on. Seriously. Is DOH only worth this fight? For the west, this also seems like a place to lay it out there. Might not get Nic, but should get something better than DOH. USAPA also can lay out why they consider DOH the only way to merge lists.
It now appears the west may get a separate seat at the table during this protocol with east permission. That's a big change from the days when USAPA was the sole agent.
At some point folks have to move on. Seriously. Is DOH only worth this fight? For the west, this also seems like a place to lay it out there. Might not get Nic, but should get something better than DOH. USAPA also can lay out why they consider DOH the only way to merge lists.
06-19-2014, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by crzipilot
Interestingly it seems as though APA is agreeing to have USAPA merger committee autonomous even after single carrier determination. The kicking point is paragraph 3.
Believe this is APA way of saying, ok if the west thinks it deserves it's own MC, then let's let it goto arbitration and let him decide. Sticking point I see is that there is a federal court ruling already answering that question.....So why let an arbitrator change that? Seems more along the lines of CYA by APA
Believe this is APA way of saying, ok if the west thinks it deserves it's own MC, then let's let it goto arbitration and let him decide. Sticking point I see is that there is a federal court ruling already answering that question.....So why let an arbitrator change that? Seems more along the lines of CYA by APA
06-19-2014, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
Has anyone really won anything? Hopefully this is a step in the right direction. Didn't mean to start the thread off wrong. I'd like to see USAPA work with this and keep things out of court.
The APA made it clear they will not accept responsibility to establish a seperate West Merger Committee.... Let that sink in... The West can approach USAPA and negotiate a way to participate in the retirement vacancies on the East, or they can watch.
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