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Old 04-20-2008, 09:02 PM   #1  
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Smile FDX - Some Hard Excess Data to Chew On

After perusing the seat seniority data provided in the 08-02 posting, I realized a lot of the important seat seniority information is really missing from the chart provided when you are talking about an "excess" bid vs the std "vacancy" bid.

Thus, after reveiwing the May bidpack seniority lists, and the FDA Training slots on the current Training Letter, I uncovered the following data.

It's quite clear there are plenty of folks at the top who have a lot of "seat choices" if they elect to bid to relieve the excess.

Anyway, here's my analysis of the numbers (...please realize I didn't attempt to match this up with folks who are in training, Flexs, LCAs or those over Age 65 who can't bid a window seat...and didn't consider the fact that everyone can bid to fill the published vacancy positions for MEM 757 Capt/FO and HKG A300/FO)

...hopefully, it still proves useful (encouraging) to some that are worried about getting excessed "off the bottom".

First --- the relevant seat seniority #s not published in the posting.

Domicile - Equipment - Seat - Total # In Seat / Low Seniority

MEM - A300 - Capt - 605 / 2805
MEM - A300 - FO - 549 / 4402

MEM - MD 11 - Capt - 646 / 2533
MEM - MD 11 - FO - 668 / 4270

ANC - MD11 - Capt - 153 / 2778
ANC - MD11 - FO - 226 / 4513

LAX - MD11 - Capt - 78 / 2028
LAX - MD11 - FO - 113 / 4305

HKG - A300 - Capt - 49 / 4009
HKG - A300 - FO - 14 / 4753

MEM - 757 - Capt - 35 / 1562
MEM - 757 - FO - 20 /2995

Next, the "cutoff seniority" required in each seat position to hold a particular seat at 100% in the non-excessed jets:

MEM - 727 - Captains (Excess Target = 30 of 334 total)

MEM - 757 - Capt = Top 96 Capts
LAX - MD11 Capt = Top 149 Capts
MEM - MD11 Capt = Top 197 Capts
ANC - MD11 Capt = Top 219 Capts
MEM - A300 Capt = Top 223 Capts
HKG - A300 Capt = All 334 Capts

MEM - 727 - First Officers (Excess Target = 50 of 293 total )

MEM - 757 - Capt = Top 9 FOs
LAX - MD11 - Capt = Top 22 FOs
MEM - MD11 - Capt = Top 42 FOs
ANC - MD11 - Capt = Top 59 FOs
MEM - A300 - Capt = Top 60 FOs
MEM - 757 - FO = Top 66 FOs
MEM - 727 - Capt = Top 95 FOs
HKG - A300 - Capt = Top 161 FOs
MEM - MD11 - FO = Top 190 FOs
LAX - MD11 - FO = Top 197 FOs
MEM - A300 - FO = Top 221 FOs
ANC - MD11 - FO = Top 243 FOs
HKG - A300 - FO = All 293 FOs

MEM - 727 - Second Officers (Excess Target = 50 of 363 total)

MEM - 757 - Capt = Top 18 SOs
LAX - MD11 - Capt = Top 27 SOs
MEM - MD11 - Capt = Top 50 SOs
ANC - MD11 - Capt = Top 65 SOs
MEM - A300 - Capt = Top 67 SOs
MEM - 757 - FO = Top 78 SOs
MEM - 727 - Capt = Top 87 SOs
HKG - A300 - Capt = Top 137 SOs
MEM - MD11 - FO = Top 161 SOs
LAX - MD11 - FO = Top 162 SOs
MEM - A300 - FO = Top 169 SOs
ANC - MD11 - FO = Top 173 SOs
MEM - 727 - FO = Top 186 SOs
HKG - A300 - FO = Top 350 SOs

(...interesting side note --- there appears to be 105 727 Second Officers currently on passover pay due to approximately 50 727 First Officer who were trained "out-of-seniority order" upon initial hiring since Aug 06...all of these SOs are not necessarily senior to ALL of these 50 FOs, and this is where it could get interesting if the FO "excess" doesn't come "out of the top", given those SOs on passover pay MUST keep 727 FO on their bid to keep their passover pay.)

MEM - DC10 - Captains (Excess Target = 104 of 119 total)

LAX - MD11 - Capt = Top 105 Capts
MEM - MD11 - Capt = Top 112 Capts
All other Capt positions = All 119 Capts

MEM - DC10 - First Officers (Excess Target = 88 of 97 total)

MEM - 757 - Capt = Top 8 FOs
LAX - MD11 - Capt = Top 14 FOs
MEM - MD11 - Capt = Top 26 FOs
MEM - A300 -Capt = Top 32 FOs
ANC - MD11 - Capt = Top 32 FOs
MEM - 757 - FO = Top 35 FOs
MEM - 727 - Capt = Top 46 FOs
HKG - A300 - Capt = Top 72 FOs
MEM - MD11 - FO = Top 86 FOs
LAX - MD11 - FO = Top 87 FOs
All other FO positions = All 97 FOs

MEM - DC10 - Second Officers (Excess Target = 55 of 116 total)

MEM - 757 - Capt = Top 86
LAX - MD11 - Capt = Top 91
MEM - MD11 - Capt = Top 106
MEM - A300 - Capt = Top 109
ANC - MD11 - Capt = Top 109
MEM - 727 - Capt = Top 110
MEM - 757 - FO = Top 111
HKG - A300 - Capt = All 116
All other FO positions = All 116

(Repeat Disclaimer - I have not taken into account those guys who already bid to leave their seat via a previous vacancy or excess bid...and have no idea how many are over Age 65 and therefore only eligible to go to the back of the Boeing).

OK, OK...I'll be the first to say it --- "I can't believe I just typed all that in!"

Last edited by DLax85; 04-20-2008 at 09:22 PM. Reason: data correction
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