Originally Posted by Lakeaffect

Ok, so we both agree that everyone (MEC and pilot group) knew that the TA we voted in was below Delta, JetBlue, Hawaiian, and Alaska. And United, AA, and southwest were all negotiating and realistically going to be on par or better than Delta, which would then cause snap ups in everyone’s clause. That info was not a secret that only the MEC was aware of and chose to withhold. That was known to every pilot on property.

You think that we should have cancelled it and renegotiated, I’m generally in agreement with you there. I however don’t agree that’s it’s a guarantee that we would have achieved anything more and I don’t fault the MEC for going forward, there is a chance that we would have gotten nothing more and potentially would be still at our old pay rates. Frontier, allegiant, and southwest have not increased pay yet and are surviving. Their was risk involved in voting no, and the MEC and the majority of the pilot group made a risk assessment choice and voted yes.

Originally Posted by Lakeaffect

Perfectly said. You don’t come to the table months before the amendable date with an offer like this, just to drag things out later if it’s voted down. Significant leverage is what we have. Everyone can throw their experiences of past negotiations out the window, the ball is in our court.