Originally Posted by
HSCompressor
Yeah. Well. Vote No. Smoke and mirrors. It’s just that simple.
And when their excuse is that they’re broke, because they’ve been unprofitable for some quarters, you should still vote no to a sub par contract.
I'm not the savviest guy on contract negotiations and I was mostly just spit ballin, but I don't think endless no votes if/when negotiations reach the mediator would be effective. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if we enter mediation and the company convinces the mediator that they're being reasonable (even if they're not), the pilot group can't just continue to vote no, or else the mediator can force a contract. (Again, I could be wrong and I'm by no means an expert.)
Originally Posted by
dracir1
So, I gotta say, I'm out on all the "industry peer" rhetoric. Honestly, I don't get it. Just because two airlines both mostly do day trips doesn't mean they're comparable. Five Guys and White Castle both make hamburgers . . . they are not industry peers in terms of customer types desired.
Quite frankly, the DOMESTIC AIRLINE industry has spoken (not just Allegiant). Check out the ALPA.org website and FFT MEC Contract Comparison (for 1 Jan 2024). It's done pretty well. That's the industry we're using.
And in the end, whatever TA is sent out to us still has to be voted in. Our votes indirectly decide who our peers are...
Five guys is Delta, White Castle and Burger King are Allegiant/Frontier. ie "different business models."
Frontier chases the leisure/poor travelers, Delta caters to the business travelers and wealthier folk. "they are not industry peers in terms of customer types desired."
I wholeheartedly agree that Frontier deserves an industry-standard contract, and there's no legitimate argument to deny that. I'm just speculating on what could be potential backroom shenanigans/ulterior motives on the company's part to make its case look better in front of a mediator if/when that happens.
All speculation and I could very well be dead wrong. Indeed, I hope I am.