2024 base discussion....
#91
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What's the deal with this NDA? Is this standard practice in negotiations? The company is sending out emails practically crying about how the union won't sign this. 1. Maybe they don't want the pilots to know that they have NO interesting in passing an industry standard contract. If the pilots think we're negotiating in good faith, they won't leave. 2 They really want to get something ironed out quickly to stop the legacies from stealing our newly trained pilots. 3. They want an NDA to protect their financials from an upcoming merger. 4. All smoke and mirrors like usual.
#92
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Joined: Jun 2014
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From: A320 CA
NDA's are sometimes used as a Union busting tactic. They try to restrict the union from keeping its members informed. The company tries to structure the NDA such that the union can't say anything or they're in violation of the NDA. Whenever the union finally releases any information to the pilots, the Company cries foul and then sues or threatens to sue the Union, further distracting everyone from the pathetic progress being made in actual negotiations. When the union is threatened by the company, they further restrict communications which adds to the rank and file frustration.
My take on the subject is I wouldn't sign an NDA because I don't need any secret or proprietary information from the company. I'm negotiating Pilot pay, not applying for a consulting position with the company. Pilots (especially at Frontier) are just a commodity. We're really no different than the fuel supplier or the Diet Coke supplier. Our cost to the company doesn't depend on the company's business plan or secret business decisions. It's based on the market for pilots.
My take on the subject is I wouldn't sign an NDA because I don't need any secret or proprietary information from the company. I'm negotiating Pilot pay, not applying for a consulting position with the company. Pilots (especially at Frontier) are just a commodity. We're really no different than the fuel supplier or the Diet Coke supplier. Our cost to the company doesn't depend on the company's business plan or secret business decisions. It's based on the market for pilots.
#93
NDA's are sometimes used as a Union busting tactic. They try to restrict the union from keeping its members informed. The company tries to structure the NDA such that the union can't say anything or they're in violation of the NDA. Whenever the union finally releases any information to the pilots, the Company cries foul and then sues or threatens to sue the Union, further distracting everyone from the pathetic progress being made in actual negotiations. When the union is threatened by the company, they further restrict communications which adds to the rank and file frustration.
My take on the subject is I wouldn't sign an NDA because I don't need any secret or proprietary information from the company. I'm negotiating Pilot pay, not applying for a consulting position with the company. Pilots (especially at Frontier) are just a commodity. We're really no different than the fuel supplier or the Diet Coke supplier. Our cost to the company doesn't depend on the company's business plan or secret business decisions. It's based on the market for pilots.
My take on the subject is I wouldn't sign an NDA because I don't need any secret or proprietary information from the company. I'm negotiating Pilot pay, not applying for a consulting position with the company. Pilots (especially at Frontier) are just a commodity. We're really no different than the fuel supplier or the Diet Coke supplier. Our cost to the company doesn't depend on the company's business plan or secret business decisions. It's based on the market for pilots.
#94
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Joined: Oct 2016
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From: Off reserve 🤫
Wanting a blanket NDA is right on par with the company's draconian sick leave treatment.....
next time a sick call is made will be exactly when the FARs require me to verify that I am fit for duty, not a minute before, then off to see the doc.
next time a sick call is made will be exactly when the FARs require me to verify that I am fit for duty, not a minute before, then off to see the doc.
#95
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Joined: Mar 2017
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****ing off the pax that put food on our plates. Real mature.
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