Originally Posted by
Traffic Alert
SWA pilots are acting just as bad as the FA’s. Never heard of anything this bad at the big 3 during negotiations. They are rumors off a message board. Go enjoy life and wait for the real thing.
and yes.. rates are just rates. Those who choose to attach them to someone are just looking for an irrelevant comparison to justify an opinion.
if CA can’t be happy w/ industry leading pay and are willing to delay a contract over $7/hr TOS, then we are just like the FA. Don’t let a fragile ego get in the way of a good thing.
and yes.. the nmb would ice us if we did so and there would be no strike leverage to fall back on.
How long can the NMB put us on ice? Can the NMB be taken at its word if they tell us they're going to keep us on ice for such-and-such period of time? Does the NMB use pressure tactics?
Suggest you
read this post from last year that goes into detail explaining the fallacy behind your statement regarding being iced and then having "no strike leverage to fall back on."
Myths and bullsh** that cost you millions PS, I think Lew said sometime later that average time in mediation right now is around 700 days.
And found this post from RJS while searching for the above info:
Originally Posted by
RJSAviator76
I really think our main obstacle isn't the mediator, or the company.... it's us. It's downright pathetic watching pilots cut themselves from underneath. Look no further than Delta's board and their AIP thread. They're not happy with the retro, the raises, or even implementation but they're throwing in the towel because the mediator scared them. Note a number of them saying how they have no leverage... today... and they're saying that because in their minds, the mediator scared them into believing this is all they can get because apparently mediator told the company to give their best offer forward, and now all of a sudden, these poor souls think they have no leverage. Why does the word "blarney" come to mind??
I have a good friend at Delta who's a captain and he's happy with the AIP and plans on voting yes. I tried to point out a few things to him, but good luck... He just sees the $65k or so he stands to get in retro.
Then spoke with another buddy of mine who's a Spirit captain. I asked him "WTF... I thought you guys were all about "Discount Fares, not Discount Pilots." He's happy with their AIP. Mind blown....
Alaska... look at the percentage of their yes voters.
Once in a generation opportunity, and this profession chokes. I don't have much faith in this profession or pilots in general.... what a bunch of pathetic, low self-esteem individuals...