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Old 12-18-2023 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by boldblue
your quoted post from back when Delta AIP'd was intresting and I do think they sold them, and us short... but here is a real problem we do have... many here wanted to go LAST because in our minds we could get the best deal... perhaps thats true but knowing what all the others settled for makes it very difficult to demand a contract that is miles apart from the rest, the company and the NMB would argue it would cause a huge cost disadvantage (whether thats true or not doesn't matter) vs all the competition that couldn't be adjusted until all the competitors have to renegotiate and sign which is 5-7 years (accounting for the usual stall tactics) away... the time to have reset the bar was when the FIRST of the big 4 to signed a new contract, and that was Delta... they just set the bar too low and now the industry pays a price.
Lew had a very long and detailed thread about the subject of what's reasonable to demand also. Seems applicable to the argument you're making. Here's a link to it: Unreasonable to seek better than narrow body?

Here's an excerpt from it:

Originally Posted by Lewbronski
It is clear in the cases we have examined that the courts in RLA cases steer entirely clear of sizing up the merits of the proposal in a dispute as to their reasonableness or lack thereof, as to whether or not they’re affordable, and as to whether or not they comply with one side’s conception of industry standard. In the 1943 US Supreme Court case Terminal Railroad Association of St. Louis V. Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen, Justice Jackson, speaking for the court’s majority, wrote:

"The Railway Labor Act, like the National Labor Relations Act, does not undertake governmental regulation of wages, hours, or working conditions. Instead it seeks to provide a means by which agreement may be reached with respect to them. The national interest expressed by those Acts is not primarily in the working conditions as such. So far as the Act itself is concerned these conditions may be as bad as the employees will tolerate or be made as good as they can bargain for. The Act does not fix and does not authorize anyone to fix generally applicable standards for working conditions. [43]"

Said succinctly in a later 1952 Supreme Court case regarding good faith bargaining, the federal government “may not, either directly or indirectly, compel concessions or otherwise sit in judgment upon the substantive terms of collective bargaining agreements.” [44] Instead, “as the Supreme Court acknowledged, speaking through Justice Black, the labor laws allow economic strength ultimately to control the establishment of contract terms, regardless of which side may have better reasons for its position … It is ‘permissible for a party to engage in `hard bargaining,' utilizing its economic power to its advantage to retain as many rights as possible’ subject only to necessity that there be a subjective ‘desire to reach ultimate agreement.’” [45]

In fact, bad faith determinations are limited to whether the parties to a dispute have “exerted every reasonable effort to make and maintain agreements.” Have they shown up? Have they demonstrated an openness to listening to the other side? Have they demonstrated a desire to come to an agreement versus just going through the motions?

Making a reasonable argument that Southwest Airlines pilots ought to have career compensation, benefits, and work rules equal to or better than wide body airline pilots at The Big Three, FedEx, or UPS does not violate good faith bargaining nor the reasonability clause of the RLA. The idea that we must limit ourselves to an outdated notion that SWA pilots and our families are confined to a sort airline industry B-scale way of life is not required by the RLA nor federal labor law policy. The only reason we believe our negotiating posture must be hog-tied by the limits of what is considered “industry standard” for narrow body pilots is our own mythology and embracement of “the big lie.”

[43] Terminal Railroad Assn. of St. Louis v. Trainmen, 318 US 1, No. No. 218 (Supreme Court 1943).
[44] Labor Board v. American Ins. Co, 343.
[45] Independent Federation of Flight Attendants v. TWA, 682.
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