Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

Yeah, I'd love to see you with no prior knowledge diagnose what was going on as your FO is flying shortly after take off, your airspeed indications are totally whack, clacker blaring, all kinds of noises and distractions going off. Have you tried to manually trim a 737 once it's out of trim, you really have to push the nose down to unload the tail..which would be extremely difficult for anyone to do so low to the ground and with such little time to figure out what was happening. The first incident okay, I think most of us wouldn't have crashed that one.