Originally Posted by
PilotBases
Yeah but that's another call to make during preflight when they could just put it on CPDLC. Same as "departure frequency see SID". Just lazy ATC. I am tired of the prevailing attitude within ATC these days that anything we request is a courtesy and they just have to do the bare minimum. The attitudes are horrendous.
Originally Posted by
Gone Flying
the "departure frequency see SID" at least makes sense in places where it changes based on runway or direction.
but large airports should have the runway to expect in the clearance unless they plan to leave it up to us which one to pick. Or at least like Mecca does where the runway is based on the Sid and they give us that info
Originally Posted by
demon llama
I don’t mind “dep freq see SID” as long as that’s the frequency they’re actually using. Nothing more fun than departing ATL and hearing nothing for a couple minutes and then frequency hopping looking for departure.
We have a program now, thanks to CASC and Delta Flight Safety/Training and Standards where we bring the controllers into the sim. So far I think we've touched ATL and NY TRACONS. They are shown what we get to do in the cockpit for our normal daily ops. Then we start in with runway changes. Departure and arrival. We show them late runway changes for both as well. They get to see all the operational steps and company policies we must follow in order to be in our own compliance as well as theirs. It's a pretty eye openeing experience for them to say the least. It hasn't seemed to have any effect yet, but we're hoping the more controllers we can cylce thru this the better they will begin to understand or at least have some idea about what goes on when they change around arrivals/depratures/runways on us, especially last minute (looking at you BOS). One controller thought, before they watched a sim, that it was easy for us to just flop to another runway. Wasn't until they saw the work load required did they finally understand what that does to us and the threats it exposes us to. We also discuss the frequency issue. If you're going to tell me on the 10-9 page that the tower freq for runway XX is going to be XXX.XX, then just tell me to contact tower, we do and it turns out that tower is not there they are using the freq for runway YY. Same can be said for places with multiple ground control freqs. If they are going to play that game, at least have the decency to tell us what THAT freq is when it's not according to the 10-9.